8 mans pointless now

[Eliseus]

This is based on "average time people would expect out of speedruns with a full DL group". Yes, it could be even FASTER with a full relic+1 group that's on voice chat and using unorthodox techniques (pulling half of AK and doing it in one big aoe pull, etc). But those are the exceptions more than the norm.

Point being, 8mans aren't useless AT ALL, and doing AK all day every day gets old ANYWAY.

You can't put down to expect more than the norm on fights like garuda and praetorium, but not except to have more then the norm on ak lol. If you are putting averages out based off the performance of the group, your averages would be wrong (for example, no one will be doing 18min runs or 1 tank 1 healer on garuda).

[BlossomRose]

You can't put down to expect more than the norm on fights like garuda and praetorium, but not except to have more then the norm on ak lol. If you are putting averages out based off the performance of the group, your averages would be wrong (for example, no one will be doing 18min runs or 1 tank 1 healer on garuda).

Actually, 1 tank 1 healer 6 dps has become the norm on Ultros for farming Garuda, so huh... maybe not on Hyperion? But on Ultros that's how it goes. Ditto for Praetorium.

[Eliseus]

Actually, 1 tank 1 healer 6 dps has become the norm on Ultros for farming Garuda, so huh... maybe not on Hyperion? But on Ultros that's how it goes. Ditto for Praetorium.

You aren't getting it.

[BlossomRose]

You aren't getting it.

No, it's you who isn't getting it. The times I posted are average for a RANDOM PUG GROUP YOU CAN FIND IN REVENANT'S TOLL. All of the times I posted. All of them. They are all average for what you'll get out of a speed run group. ALL. OF. THE. TIMES. Are THE AVERAGE. For people on Ultros. Maybe your server is slower, maybe it's faster, I don't care.

Point being, those are the times ON ULTROS. They are AVERAGES of what the COMMON PUG can expect.

Dedicated, organized groups are even faster. That's fine. I don't care. I'm talking for the average people here.

[Eliseus]

No, it's you who isn't getting it. The times I posted are average for a RANDOM PUG GROUP YOU CAN FIND IN REVENANT'S TOLL. All of the times I posted. All of them. They are all average for what you'll get out of a speed run group. ALL. OF. THE. TIMES. Are THE AVERAGE. For people on Ultros. Maybe your server is slower, maybe it's faster, I don't care.

Point being, those are the times ON ULTROS. They are AVERAGES of what the COMMON PUG can expect.

Dedicated, organized groups are even faster. That's fine. I don't care. I'm talking for the average people here.

You're right, average groups are able to speed run everything but AK apparently.

[BlossomRose]

You're right, average groups are able to speed run everything but AK apparently.

On Ultros that's... basically how it is, yeah.

I don't know why it's that way but the average AK group on Ultros is minimum 30 minutes and goes as far as 40 minutes depending, because the server doesn't do the whole "run to boss/die" thing. And honestly, I don't care. AK is bland and boring, and you're better off just doing Garuda for a change of pace.

[Crescent_Dusk]

On Ultros that's... basically how it is, yeah.

I don't know why it's that way but the average AK group on Ultros is minimum 30 minutes and goes as far as 40 minutes depending, because the server doesn't do the whole "run to boss/die" thing. And honestly, I don't care. AK is bland and boring, and you're better off just doing Garuda for a change of pace.

Ultros is not the average. Not everyone is on Ultros.

Either wayr point about optimal tome farm was correct.

Spamming Praetorium is the BEST source for tome farming. AK and Wanderer's offer like 3-4k gil per run though, on top of gear for seals and maybe even gearing up your alts if you dont have all AK pieces yet for every class.


People are deluding themselves, though. The grind is the same. It was 100 tomes pre-hotfix, and it is 100 tomes post-hotfix.

It still takes 72 runs of whichever of these boring, easymode dungeons for a full DL+relic set.