Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Jinko]

After my last post I am starting to wonder why we've latched on to this idea of jobs gaining new weapons. I mean I guess it makes sense when we hear the words "job" and specialization. We obviously think traditional roles with traditional weapons.

Really though if they start unlocking unique weapons for jobs doesn't that limit the possibility of new base classes in the future? Perhaps not but it starts creating an environment of over-saturation regarding weapons. All they've said is that jobs will provide more specialized roles and will attain that through unique abilities and skillsets. In fact that's ALL they've said, that they will gain unique skills.

Obviously I could be very, very wrong about all this. However, I think it's a bit presumptuous to think that the new jobs will coincide with new weapons.

I agree and to be honest I kind of hope we don't see job's introduce new weapons, if that means we have to wait for Dark knight and Paladin to be assigned to a new class then so be it.

That being said he did mention job specific armour so job specific weapons aren't out of the realms of possibility.

[Zenaku]

Weapon Classes are NOT Jobs and JOBS are not Weapon Classes stop confusing the Two.

Gladiator is only a Sword User. Paladin is a Tank. One is a weapon specialist, one is a playstyle. I shouldn't be forced to play a playstyle on a weapon I don't like. If my playstyle is "DD and Spiritual Healer" Alah Monk, I should be able to perform that playstyle on my prefered weapon (Bo-staff, club what ever.) not limited to fist weapons.

once again am fighting with you like did for 1year in eorzeawebsite it's dumb allowing a CONJ to be a monk or lancer be a monk when Monk still use hand to hand wep -.- your idea make no freakin sense

You pretty much saying Lancer can be White mage or GLD can be Black mage

am sorry just because you dislike using a type of wep does not mean you have to mess up the idea of the job system to something that make no freaking sense. it should be bind to the wep i don't care what you say it make no sense that a lancer can use white mage spell.


read the thing again it give you a hint that what it pretty much mean you not allow to use other class spell if it make no sense which also mean wep in a way let's way for the dam update so we can see who right at the end

your idea make no sense and i hope to god it's not like that that be the most dumbest idea ever

[Focant]

it make sense what else would use a great sword? or Scyth sure there a DOL using a Scyth but that not really really a Scyth for say it look like it but DRK Scyth would be diff. Class system would just be the base and job would be the building it should some what allow to use more wep and it's own type also.

Well, no offense, but "it makes sense" is hardly a proper reasoning. I don't claim to know what will happen and only know what very little they've told us. So far though there is no indication that jobs = weapons. Adding a G.Sword class that unlocks Drk, at this point, is just as plausible as Mrd unlocking it.

[AlexiaKidd]

There is no rule that says how many jobs each weapon unlocks or when yet. So it isn't full circle. If one weapon unlocks multiple jobs Sword alone would unlock a possible 10 jobs

But there will be a rule and SE will make it the same across the board to make it fair otherwise people would be complaining. If Sword unlocked 10 jobs and "War Scythe" unlocked 1 it wouldn't be very fair so they will make it so they unlock the same amount each.

[Cairdeas]

once again am fighting with you like did for 1year in eorzeawebsite it's dumb allowing a CONJ to be a monk or lancer be a monk when Monk still use hand to hand wep -.- your idea make no freakin sense

You pretty much saying Lancer can be White mage or GLD can be Black mage

am sorry just because you dislike using a type of wep does not mean you have to mess up the idea of the job system to something that make no freaking sense. it should be bind to the wep i don't care what you say it make no sense that a lancer can use white mage spell.

All Lancer, Gladiator, and Pugilist are are weapons.

Final Fantasy Tactics had no restrictions on what weapons a Job could use, Once they learned the skill to do it they could equip just about any weapon.

White Mages could equip Axes, Monks could equip Katanas, etc.

Before they learn those skills though Monks alone can use Fists, Bangles, Claws, Knuckles, Poles, Staffs, Spears, Knun-chucks, Sais, and many other weapons. MONKS in Final Fantasy Lore are NOT limited to Fist Weapons.

How it should be.


User Equips Weapon. Learns skills from Weapon. At Certain level they learn to master a Playstyle (Job). After they master that playstyle they can then share that playstyle on any weapon they train.

Its the same as the Subjob system from T and other FF's.

Just because you don't think a certain subjob shouldn't be usable by the main job in FFXI didn't mean they blocked it in XI. And a lot of the subjob combos in XI were usable even if not popular. Case in point White Mage / Paladin. It isn't popular especially for a normal XP party, but for special parties and BCNM's its Epic.

[Jinko]

Well, no offense, but "it makes sense" is hardly a proper reasoning. I don't claim to know what will happen and only know what very little they've told us. So far though there is no indication that jobs = weapons. Adding a G.Sword class that unlocks Drk, at this point, is just as plausible as Mrd unlocking it.

Problem is what would you called a G.sword class :S

All Lancer, Gladiator, and Pugilist are are weapons.

Final Fantasy Tactics had no restrictions on what weapons a Job could use, Once they learned the skill to do it they could equip just about any weapon.

White Mages could equip Axes, Monks could equip Katanas, etc.

Before they learn those skills though Monks alone can use Fists, Bangles, Claws, Knuckles, Poles, Staffs, Spears, Knun-chucks, Sais, and many other weapons. MONKS in Final Fantasy Lore are NOT limited to Fist Weapons.

Firstly this is not FFT, lets not start comparing single player experiences to MMO ones, there has to be some form of set roles and restrictions for a decent MMO to work, that is the entire reason why they are adding jobs in the first place, I have said this twice now :P

[Zenaku]

It just does not make sense that Lancer can be a monk when Monk use Monk attack that use hand to hand i don't care if it a title it what make sense how can you allow a black mage be a PLD using a staff? a PLD still use sword what make sense is Sword or great sword so really Cairdeas your only reason for it because you dislike some wep guess what deal with it...

This is not Final Fantasy Tactics this is Final fantasy with a number i don't care it should not be like that it make no sense what so ever that a Lancer can be a monk and use monk ws when really it should be PUG and that how SE is making it if you can't get that in your head then sorry quit or deal with it

you pretty much allowing everyone to be everything oh am level 50 conj i just put PLD now i can tank because pld can tank -.- that would give limits this is a mmo and Final Fantasy Tactics is a offline game. There rules to be set in a mmo and that would break and not make any sense by law that a Lancer or GLD can be a monk without using hand to hand wep.


@Jinko give up now this person wont give up trust me i fight with him 500000 times on other website. once the update come with the job system he would see how it is if it like how we think it is then he have to deal with it, it would make sense monk should use hand to hand not lancer polearm -.-

[Cairdeas]

Problem is what would you called a G.sword class :S

Great Sword User would probably fall under something like Soldier for its Weapon Class name. Then it would unlock jobs that specialized in Great Swords.

It just does not make sense that Lancer can be a monk when Monk use Monk attack that use hand to hand

None of Monks attacks are Hand to Hand Attacks. Hand to Hand Attacks are Hand to Hand Attacks.

Monks use things like kick attacks, Chi blast, etc.

[Focant]

Problem is what would you called a G.sword class :S

Honestly I have no idea haha. That's not my "job!"

Augh that was awful.

Also, Cairdeas, your stance seems to rely heavily on previous SE titles. While I hate to say it, XIV is not tactics, it is not XI, and it is not any other FF game. I mean even from its inception it's been markedly different. I never played tactics but you're saying that any job could use any weapon. Now we look at XIV which uses the weapon to DEFINE the job. Obviously they are on totally opposite ends of the spectrum so how is it that you see it fit to compare them as if they were equal?

[Cairdeas]

Honestly I have no idea haha. That's not my "job!"

Augh that was awful.

Also, Cairdeas, your stance seems to rely heavily on previous SE titles. While I hate to say it, XIV is not tactics, it is not XI, and it is not any other FF game. I mean even from its inception it's been markedly different. I never played tactics but you're saying that any job could use any weapon. Now we look at XIV which uses the weapon to DEFINE the job. Obviously they are on totally opposite ends of the spectrum so how is it that you see it fit to compare them as if they were equal?

Weapons do not define jobs in FFXIV. They define a Weapon Class. Weapon Class =/= Job.

The whole point of the Armoury system is your Weapon.
The Job system is your Role in Combat.

Paladin is a Meat Shield and Self Healing Tank.
Warrior is a pure blood damage dealer
Thief is an obfuscating backside attacker and crowd control agent.
Dragoon is a hate control specialist.
White Mage is a Healer
Black Mage is an Elemental Nuker.

Those are Roles in Combat not weapons. Which is how all Final Fantasy's have done jobs.