Raising the bar: Leetism standards and how it affects everyone else

[Valsh]

People are entitled to set whatever requirements, both just or unjust, for the groups that they themselves create.

If you don't like it make your own or use duty finder.

[YanDere]

I've done CM speed runs on my BLM, taking relic geared players only, with one healer and one tank. Most runs are done within twenty one minutes.

Well, I agree that people can decide who to pick in their parties, but remember that I do myself CM and Prae runs 1 heal 1 tank in less than 20 mins.
Now take a look at my gear. http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2248119/

[TirionCrey]

Well, I agree that people can decide who to pick in their parties, but remember that I do myself CM and Prae runs 1 heal 1 tank in less than 20 mins.
Now take a look at my gear. http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2248119/

You're a healer. Your gear is the least important in there when it comes to Speed Runs.

PS: Less than 20minutes? I doubt it. If your group is really well geared than an average of 21-22minutes is usual. Less than 20minutes would take a lot more effort to shave off those minutes.

[SkullDuggery]

Last time I checked, Michael Jordon didn't go out and play street games with scrubs and hustlers because he was too busy acquiring Championship Rings with the pros.

He won rings with people who wouldn't have played on other teams. Take a look at some of the Bulls championship teams.

That being said, I agree that people should at least TRY to have some info before playing. I've only played 10 or so dungeons and I'm already getting annoyed by the other dps pulling hate. I see what you guys are saying. It's all so intimidating as someone new to mmo's. I want to get to endgame content, but I'm intimidated to ask for help. I'm worried they will leave the dungeon. I make mistakes, but I try to make them only once.

As far as the party thing goes, that sounds personal. Like you couldn't wait to exclude people from something, and now's your chance. Sounds petty to me. I wonder why such selfish and petty attitudes pervade in a game that counts on community

[YanDere]

You're a healer. Your gear is the least important in there when it comes to Speed Runs.

PS: Less than 20minutes? I doubt it. If your group is really well geared than an average of 21-22minutes is usual. Less than 20minutes would take a lot more effort to shave off those minutes.

SCH is the answer
Man, I love their attack buffs *^*
But though I'll never do it in 17-18 minutes, I'm still talking of 19:30, 20:00. (Even though my cutscene skipping takes 5 seconds more than usual for every cutscene, sadly)

[Kirosuu]

today something happen in my cm run
a new bard just start cm and he watch cutscene,well nobody say anything about that and other player wait him enter boss area before fight
ok thats good right?

here that bad part, at last boss, i realise the bard do nothing aka leeching
so i mad at that bard why he do nothing,guess what happen. 1 of his friend also join run as white mage,suddently the white mage mad at me for yell at that bard to skip cutscene (....i not even say anything about skip cutscene)
then the white mage suddently rage and swear alot and dowan heal me
after run finish the white mage pm me the reason that his friend(the bard) not attack...the reason is the bard dont have darklight gear(WHAT!a bard need DL gear to help buff and attack?)
he also tell me his friend wanna enjoy the game by view all cutscene and do nothing in dungeon. so i ask do nothing is not leeching?then he shut up

idk how to enjoy the game by do nothing
i even SS the chat incase that guy bash me

[BlossomRose]

I'd like to see the screenshots because your English doesn't make it easy to form a proper opinion of this, and it could just as well be your fault as theirs depending.

[LilSmalls]

What you see now is not the hardcore people...it's the casuals and semi hardcore, who just got to that point in the game.

HAHAHAH - It's not the hardcores, it's the casual players.

Come on people, it's the A-Holes that pull this crap, lets cut to the chase.

[Lunavi]

today something happen in my cm run
a new bard just start cm and he watch cutscene,well nobody say anything about that and other player wait him enter boss area before fight
ok thats good right?

here that bad part, at last boss, i realise the bard do nothing aka leeching
so i mad at that bard why he do nothing,guess what happen. 1 of his friend also join run as white mage,suddently the white mage mad at me for yell at that bard to skip cutscene (....i not even say anything about skip cutscene)
then the white mage suddently rage and swear alot and dowan heal me
after run finish the white mage pm me the reason that his friend(the bard) not attack...the reason is the bard dont have darklight gear(WHAT!a bard need DL gear to help buff and attack?)
he also tell me his friend wanna enjoy the game by view all cutscene and do nothing in dungeon. so i ask do nothing is not leeching?then he shut up

idk how to enjoy the game by do nothing
i even SS the chat incase that guy bash me

Omg xD I can just image him standing there with his best faceroll smile on and be like "I don't give a ****" and the healer being like his mother protecting him and saying "If you are not nice to little Billy you will not get any cookies later!". But yeah, when running duty finder I have no expectations whatsoever, but I think that would maybe even make me rage.

[ApolloGenX]

Those are new players.

They got a primal- and suddenly primals were required.

They got DL - Suddenly DL is required

They got relic - suddenly they require relic for everything

They are idiots. Don't group with them. They are gearscore humpers that probably rely on a gearscore to hide their badness. I would take a well played char over a paper tiger gearscore kid any day.

They aren't leet or hardcore. They are just trying desperately to feel that way.