This has to stop.

[Flionheart]

True, in the same way that one is free to be an inconsiderate, selfish, self centered jerk. Yeah you're totally free to do that. By the way, did you watch the cutscenes your first time through? 99% chance you did. News flash, 'Center of the Universe', nearly every speed runner was a story watcher their first time. You're just too up your own ass, to give a shit.

Your time isn't more valuable than anyone elses. The story is there to be watched. You can watch the entire game practically on Youtube, who cares? Many want to experience as it is meant to be experienced. In the moment.

Stop acting like an entitled child, just because you may have to wait a few more minutes on your umpteenth run this week, just to get gear that will probably do you little good until the next content releases.

So you're saying that we should wait for them to stop viewing the cutscene? Yeah, no.

Watch your cutscenes if you want, but if you want a completely legit real experience, go make a group for it. I didn't complain the first time when I was watching the cutscenes and people were rushing, neither should you.

[PapesseLudovique]

So you're saying that we should wait for them to stop viewing the cutscene? Yeah, no.

Watch your cutscenes if you want, but if you want a completely legit real experience, go make a group for it. I didn't complain the first time when I was watching the cutscenes and people were rushing, neither should you.

Bottom line, if you want to skip parts of something, its on YOU to find like minded people. Everyone else is just doing the dungeon like the developers wanted.. You didn't mind, but would you have minded if they pressured you into stopping? You don't mind losing out on fun of experiencing the dungeon? Good for you.

You want to speed run? Do it on your OWN time.

But this point went over your head several times so I don't know why I'm trying to convince you now. You're using a child's logic, to justify being inconsiderate.

If I used your mentality, I can just say that if you're at end game, and don't have a regular farming group, you're doing it wrong.

I've yet to play a game where hardorce raiders/farming was done through the party finder system. If you're really serious enough to where you need to shave off seconds to minutes from dungeon running, either free up your schedule, get some friends, or join an FC.

[dontcare]

Everyone else is just doing the dungeon like the developers wanted, and require.

Nope. You are not "required" to watch the cutscenes or use the DF to advance the story. Players interested in watching cutscenes are just as capable of forming their own groups, and they should because 7 players inconveniencing 1 makes whole lot more sense than 1 player inconveniencing 7.

[PapesseLudovique]

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No you're required to use the dungeon finder. Sorry I should have been more specific.

Do you understand that your entire argument is fallacy? Its always 1 selfish monster who wants to watch vs. 7 who don't.

Say, maybe those seven people should form their own party! You know, because there are oh so much more of you.

Right? I mean if you outnumber the first timers, you should have NO problem forming a like minded party...RIGHT?
You claim majority, and yet still require an automated system to get parties? Please.

Every other gaming community understands that people with specific goals should find their own group. Why can't you? New players are less likely to be able to get constant groups than end game farmers, and you KNOW IT.

When your quest tells you to use the duty finder and enter the dungeon, guess what? They're going to use it. Duty finders aren't made for farming. Thats what guilds/premades are for.

[dontcare]

Say, maybe those seven people should form their own party! You know, because there are oh so much more of you.

Right? I mean if you outnumber the first timers, you should have NO problem forming a like minded party...RIGHT?

Forming a premade requires more effort and is less convenient than using the duty finder. Why should the majority of players use the less convenient method of forming a party? Using the duty finder for speedruns inconveniences the fewest number of players overall.

New players are less likely to be able to get constant groups than end game farmers, and you KNOW IT.

If all speedrunners ceased using the duty finder as you suggest, new players would be just as likely to find constant groups in the DF as they would be forming their own groups now.

[juniglee]

Forming a premade requires more effort and is less convenient than using the duty finder. Why should the majority of players use the less convenient method of forming a party? Using the duty finder for speedruns inconveniences the fewest amount of players overall.

If all speedrunners ceased using the duty finder as you suggest, new players would be just as likely to find constant groups in the DF as they would be forming their own groups now.

It's not that much effort - I don't even have to lift a finger for it. In my FC, the moment someone says they are looking to start a CM speed run party, it fills up within 2 minutes, off to the queue right after. There are more speed runners than new players who want to watch cutscenes in the game.

If all speedrunners ceased using the duty finder, new players would constantly find a group in DF too, but in general they are expected to use the DF compared to speed runners - the quest description even says Use the Duty Finder to enter Castrum Meridianum.

Stop throwing new players under the bus - people like you will have a much easier time finding a speed running party, than them finding a cutscene watching party.

[PapesseLudovique]

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So basically everyone else needs to be inconvenienced but you. (and really, lets drop the pretense that you give half a damn about anyone else in your party. I don't buy it. Nothing about your attitude seems anything but self serving.) You can't stand waiting a few minutes for a fellow player to enjoy the game you're both playing.

This is why SMART people join FC's and/or form what are called 'static parties'. Parties that have regular members, and schedule weekly runs. That's what REAL farmers do. Not sit in the party finder, and whine when a new player is in the group. That's how you farm with anything close to efficiency.