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[Lhun]

Mantra (and Convalescence) only effect "curing magic" and Mantra accounts for +5% HP recovered when being cross-classed. It has a 15s duration. It's rather pointless to use Mantra alone; stacking it with Convalescence, which would be 2 cross-class slots, grants a +25% bonus to curing magic for 15s, +20% for 5s - a negligible gain that requires proper timing and macro sequencing by the Warrior to be of any use.

Incorrect. Convalescence's text says: "Increases HP restored by spells or actions by 20%." Try it and see! Use Convalescence (EDITED, AND MANTRA) with second wind (after zerk, unchained if you want) and... EDITED - I was incorrect. I just tested this, Mantra may only affect second wind, if anything.

Also, I have zero issues with "proper timing and macro sequencing". It's really easy to press 1 button to add the stacks you need/want (macro together, so that if the others are not off cooldowns they're ignored) then press the second hotbar button.

I USUALLY use inner release instead of Mantra. The chance to crit inner beast/second wind/anything else can just be too awesome... but awareness might even be a better choice to stack with foresight in the long run.

Featherfoot seems pretty useless over all. It's just a chance.

[Hachiko]

Incorrect. Convalescence's text says "spells and abilities" Try it and see! Use Mantra with second wind (after zerk, unchained if you want) and Convalescence with Thrill of Battle. You'll see.

Not sure what you're saying here. I haven't tested it with Second wind, but I can guarantee for a fact that mantra/convalescence/Wrath V all do zero to buff Thrill of Battle heals (as well as Bloodbath and Inner Beast heals). % bonus heals (or % debuffs like disease) aren't applied to % heals like Lustrate or ToB, nor are they applied to absorb heals which rely exclusively on a portion of damage dealt.

[Lhun]

Not sure what you're saying here. I haven't tested it with Second wind, but I can guarantee for a fact that mantra/convalescence/Wrath V all do zero to buff Thrill of Battle heals (as well as Bloodbath and Inner Beast heals). % bonus heals (or % debuffs like disease) aren't applied to % heals like Lustrate or ToB, nor are they applied to absorb heals which rely exclusively on a portion of damage dealt.

I'm sorry, you're exactly correct about thrill and IB. I've been talking about this for a bit now and I keep getting my ability names confused (on top of no sleep, woo!)

Convalescence/WrathV/Zerk/Unchained absolutely assist Second Wind, however.

[Dhex]

I'm sorry, you're exactly correct about thrill and IB. I've been talking about this for a bit now and I keep getting my ability names confused (on top of no sleep, woo!)

Convalescence/WrathV/Zerk/Unchained absolutely assist Second Wind, however.

Unchained has no effect on Second Wind. Unchained bypasses the -25% Damage penalty incurred by having Defiance active. Defiance does not modify your Attack stat - only your damage output. Second Wind's modification is based on your Attack stat.

[Lhun]

Unchained has no effect on Second Wind. Unchained bypasses the -25% Damage penalty incurred by having Defiance active. Defiance does not modify your Attack stat - only your damage output. Second Wind's modification is based on your Attack stat.

This is correct. It is a heal based on your total attack power stat. I may be incorrect, but I believe the penalty is applied PRE, not POST damage, making it effective, is it not?

[Dhex]

You're not listening. Second Wind is based on Attack in your character's stat window. Unchained removes the -25% damage reduction received from Defiance.

Also you are wrong about Convalescence & Second Wind:



It's entirely predicated by your Attack stat. Unaffected by healing modifiers on Mantra, Convalescence, and Wrath V.

Internal Release, Wrath, and Berserk raise Attack (+50%) and Crit Rate (+25%). Second Wind can critical cure giving a higher value - but it is not modified by +15% Healing from Wrath, +20% from Convalescence, or +5% from Mantra.

Seriously - this takes all of 5 minutes to test and figure out.

[Lhun]

It's entirely predicated by your Attack stat. Unaffected by healing modifiers on Mantra, Convalescence, and Wrath V.

Internal Release, Wrath, and Berserk raise Attack (+50%) and Crit Rate (+25%). Second Wind can critical cure giving a higher value - but it is not modified by +15% Healing from Wrath, +20% from Convalescence, or +5% from Mantra.

Seriously - this takes all of 5 minutes to test and figure out.

You may be hitting a stat floor in your testing currently. This is not the experience I have with this ability. I'll run some tests tonight. Thank you for taking the effort to test this.

[Dhex]

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Thrill of Battle can be used one of two ways: before an attack as a 20% max HP shield, or after as a 20% max HP heal it's numerical return is predicated by the 20% of max HP and cannot be modified by Convalescence or Mantra; Thrill of Battle's effect is Max HP value dependent and that is a "hard" or unchanging value while in combat.

Second Wind is based on attack power and I have not tested to see if Convalescence modifies the HP return.

In Beta Phase 4 & release Convalescence's tool tip was exactly the same as it is now; however after testing it was shown not to effect self-healing through Bloodbath or Inner Beast as both are predicated by hard values in how their HP return is calcutated ie. DMG values - 25% of DMG for Bloodbath no more no less. Inner Beast is predicated by 300% of damage dealt this is a hard value that cannot be modified.

If you'd like to post consistent tests proving otherwise then kudos to you but as I understand it and as I have observed it they do not function as you suggest.

[Lhun]

Thrill of Battle can be used one of two ways: before an attack as a 20% max HP shield, or after as a 20% max HP heal it's numerical return is predicated by the 20% of max HP and cannot be modified by Convalescence or Mantra; Thrill of Battle's effect is Max HP value dependent and that is a "hard" or unchanging value while in combat.

You are correct about IB, Bloodbath and perhaps, thrill. However, second wind is and is absolutely buffed by heal+ stacks.