Does Anyone Think Crafting is Too Slow?

[zaviermhigo]

Basic grind craft is too slow, some of those you're going to just press standard through the whole craft since rapid may be too much durability loss if it fails. Hasty Hand isn't really worth leveling so you use it on low level synths, which helps a lot, I'd probably kill myself if i had to do the crafting mini game for a rank 20 or below craft on something like "cotton yarn". I don't know if its too slow for guild leves and such it always depends on the craft, in general though crafting is one of the only things they did right, and its a serious gill sink for me.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

I felt crafting is faster now

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Oh...and any MMO is a full time job if you want to maximise your return. It is not a lucrative enough expedition otherwise...

And this is the real flaw with our player bse. people who have this mindset.
it is a video game nothing more.

off qoute, yoshi said that the timer in itself has no rel purpose. it really doesn't since people click fast. A real tedious crafting in any mmo is ffxi. it took so much just to get .1 or even a .2. and the game gave you hints but of stuff to advnced for you level. Also those who keep ensiting my opinion is invalid based on what you think you know about me, please stop. I do not care how long it takes to level up, or how many crafts. Just gives me stuff to do like farm, so some minor crafts if needed or level another craft for mats. I have yet spent a gil on any craft i've tried. Which is more then I can say about ffxi where i spent 300K just to get cooking to level 12.

[fredtma]

Has anyone tried playing "Parley"?
OMG, it feels like you are playing on 486 machine, All these mini games whether crafting, gathering or menu interaction work at the speed of snail.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

The only thing I see making crafts more fun is make them how Free reals does it. But still, it is easy because you almost never fail. We need to fail synths (and it needs to be random is in life stuff is random) I think the crafting system is fun, and if you don't like it you got 2 options 1 stop over thinking on if you having fun or not. or 2 just don't do it. ffxiv was praised for the crafting system. it can be like WoW, fast automatic rarely failing..... aka easy mode......

[Dargoth_Draconia]

I find crafting a lot more enjoyable compared to the previous retarded crafting in FFXI, and it is rewarding for the people who bare through it and craft. In ffxi I took a craft to 60 and hated every synth leading up to it, and on this game atleast I have like 3 crafts at or around 20 and actually have somewhat enjoyed it.

They made crafters into a class so I doubt you will see any changes in how crafting is done overall they had to make it take equally as long in ways to level as a battle class. I level my crafts slowly because I generally can't stand crafting on any game.

Actually Kilta I do like WoW's and easy mode crafting because all I have to do is worry about gathering the mats needed to craft, do I want this game to be like that, no.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Has anyone tried playing "Parley"?
OMG, it feels like you are playing on 486 machine, All these mini games whether crafting, gathering or menu interaction work at the speed of snail.

its your net then my menue speed it pretty fast.

[Abriael]

Repetitive and mindless are seperate things, XIV's crafting is both of these. Don't confuse repetitive for being the reason it isn't fun when you have no need to look at the screen to do any of it, the entire system is asking for players to turn to botting. I could have r50 in any craft I wanted without realising what I'm doing ingame providing I have materials. DoL is also one of the classes that turns absolutely mindless with no dynamics the higher it gets, EVERYTHING is 1 of 2 spots.

EDIT: If you are doing anything other than spamming enter on standard you are setting yourself up to take a disproportionately long time to gain ranks compared to some who was, and is now making better items than you and gaining more guild marks.

I'm afraid you're not very clear on the meaning of "mindless". Sure, for skilling many use mostly standard, but by using the skills available (makers muse and so forth) they can aim for higher level recipes, getting a much higher SP turnout with just a small loss of time per recipe. The fact that people are given the option to use skills to make their crafting process more efficent alone completely voids the theory about it being "mindless".
Spamming standard and nothing else (using no skills) is not nearly the most efficent way to skillup any craft.

OR if you're a fan of doing things quick, you can use hasty hand, and the slowness of crafting goes bye bye. In that case the problem is removed to the root, since the system not only isn't "mindless", but it's also pretty flexible.

What's "mindless" is not noticing that there's more to crafting than leveling up (leveling up for the sake of leveling up is seriously laughable. Crafting is there to produce items, not to have another class to level to 50), and when actually creating items to be sold, FFXIV's crafting gives you much more control over quality than basically every other MMORPG out there, if you're willing to not craft in a "mindless" way, and learn tne ins and outs of the system.

There's nothing "mindless" in FFXIV's crafting. The fact that you turn it into a mindless process because you want to be faster (or better, because you perceive as faster a method that actually isn't) doesn't make it mindless in itself.

Maybe the reason why you think it's "mindless" is because you don't get it, like 99% of the people that bash it without even knowing half of it, because all they want is to get to 50.

Again, crafting isn't for everyone. It should *not* be for everyone. if you're leveling it for the sake of leveling it, then quite evidently it isn't for you. For people that enjoy crafting for it's actual purpose (creating items and playing the economy) the crafting system in FFXIV gives more control than any other in the market and has nothing to do with "mindless", as it's actually quite tactical, while not being overly complex.

[Mikita]

The only thing I see making crafts more fun is make them how Free reals does it. But still, it is easy because you almost never fail. We need to fail synths (and it needs to be random is in life stuff is random) I think the crafting system is fun, and if you don't like it you got 2 options 1 stop over thinking on if you having fun or not. or 2 just don't do it. ffxiv was praised for the crafting system. it can be like WoW, fast automatic rarely failing..... aka easy mode......

Good news! You can look forward to failing synths as you go up in rank. ^^

There are times when you throw every skill you have at it, and just keep failing each action until it eventually breaks.

By the way, I don't mean that as a complaint.
It can be frustrating when you break things, but overall I'm okay with the crafting system and it's probably what I do most in the game.

[Rentahamster]

If the mini-game was actually fun, consistent, more strategic, and engaging, this wouldn't be that much of an issue.

Unfortunately, it's not, and the the repetitive, mindless, non-dynamic nature of the crafting process is also why it is so susceptible to botting.