Tanking Frustration: I blame WoW

[Jayded]

The tanks in this game have the tools to hold agro, even if DPS are going full out on different mobs. The tools are there. Most tanks are just plain bad. Sorry to say it. Now, you shouldn't be required to keep agro on different DPS targets, that's a problem with DPS, but you can. This means if your DPS aren't derping that it's even an easier job for the tank. Agro is no issue in this game, I don't understand why there are so many bad tanks.

[Jediman]

The tanks in this game have the tools to hold agro, even if DPS are going full out on different mobs. The tools are there. Most tanks are just plain bad. Sorry to say it. Now, you shouldn't be required to keep agro on different DPS targets, that's a problem with DPS, but you can. This means if your DPS aren't derping that it's even an easier job for the tank. Agro is no issue in this game, I don't understand why there are so many bad tanks.

You have no idea what your talking about "Most tanks are just plain bad" how are you defining this are you talking about 5+ mobs coming at pld and you suspect the tank to flash all and get hate and before that any dps attack any mob and its tank fault?

Tanks Setup What I do:

1. Pre-pop Fight or Flight
2. Shield Lob 1 mob if I am pulling them back or running in and Flashing
3. Spirits Within if only 1 mob is near, Circle of Skorn if mobs are stacked
4. Flash
5. SW main target if I used CoS prior, CoS if I used SW prior
6. Flash
7. Possibly Off GCD Defensive CD
8. Fast Blade main target
9. Savage Blade main target
10. Rage of Halone non-main target
11.Flash

[Jayded]

yada yada

And you have no reading comprehension. I said it's the DPS fault if they don't focus, but the tank STILL has the tools to hold agro even if DPS is bad. There's a handy little list of targets with FLASHING INDICATORS of your threat level on EVERY MOB. Like I said, the tools are there, you just don't know how to use them.

Also the fact that I never, ever lose agro on a mob to DPS or heals unless some ranged starts going full bore before I even reach the mobs / mobs reach me (baddie dpser) would imply I know what I'm talking about more than you (who I assume has massive agro problems?).

[Viridiana]

I'd really like to know how you'd hold aggro against four DDs who've popped all their cooldowns and are each blasting away at a separate mob.

[Jediman]

And you have no reading comprehension. I said it's the DPS fault if they don't focus, but the tank STILL has the tools to hold agro even if DPS is bad. There's a handy little list of targets with FLASHING INDICATORS of your threat level on EVERY MOB. Like I said, the tools are there, you just don't know how to use them.

Also the fact that I never, ever lose agro on a mob to DPS or heals unless some ranged starts going full bore before I even reach the mobs / mobs reach me (baddie dpser) would imply I know what I'm talking about more than you (who I assume has massive agro problems?).

"Most tanks are just plain bad"

"I said it's the DPS fault if they don't focus"

make up your mind whos side your trying to give here tanks or dps or are you confused dot come.

Guess you didn't bother reading the page 1 lol

"assume has massive agro problems"

Well its a problem due to the fact DPS can't follow signs on mobs, I too would like to know how to hold hate when DDs who've popped all their cooldowns and are each blasting away at a separate mob 4+.

If you have tip please share if not your talking from your backside...

I too blame WoW players that came over to Final fantasy XIV for not waiting for the tank to get hate.

[Smokron]

only just got to Brayflox but already had lots of bad tanks. Mind you, I will do stupid shit sometimes but I've seen more bad tanks than anything else. YOLO into mobs before priest buffs. Garbage Gear and can't hold aggro. Rage at me for trying to pull mobs off the healer. Rage quit cause they screwed up a pull. Rage quit cause they pulled the wrong thing etc. Most people going off on Deeps in this thread probably don't have any experience playing from the other side and seeing what a bad tank is. Try having "fun" when the tank is a bossy ass who acts like he's king of the dungeon.

[Runalong]

Personally I think it would be useful for it to be mandatory in FFXIV to have to experience tanking, healing and DPS as part of leveling rather than being able to stick to a single role. A lot of the arguments I've seen in instances between players essentially boil down to a poor understanding of each others roles and a preference for slagging people off rather than explaining why a certain action is causing a problem.

[Claire_Pendragon]

And you have no reading comprehension. I said it's the DPS fault if they don't focus, but the tank STILL has the tools to hold aggro even if DPS is bad. There's a handy little list of targets with FLASHING INDICATORS of your threat level on EVERY MOB. Like I said, the tools are there, you just don't know how to use them.

Also the fact that I never, ever lose agro on a mob to DPS or heals unless some ranged starts going full bore before I even reach the mobs / mobs reach me (baddie dpser) would imply I know what I'm talking about more than you (who I assume has massive aggro problems?).

Depending on the level range and classes, this is only possible 50% of the time or less.

Pure example. We have 3 mobs.

I pull Mob1.
Archer attacked Mob2.
THM attacked Mob3.

Is it their fault? yes.

Do we have the tools? Lets find out.

I try to Flash, but in most cases, they are no longer in range, and if they ARE, flash generates so LITTLE of threat, every flash i do, THEIR threat goes up.

Instead I use Shield Lob, ok, now the THM has 2 GCDs ahead of me in dmg on the 3rd mob.

I STILL dont have more threat than the ARC who has 3 attacks off on the 2nd mob.
I can shield lob it again, to try and get hate, or, I can try and SL the 3rd mob, to gain hate.

But if i do either, the healer pulls hate on mob #1.

And we aren't talking about DPS who dont know their rotations, like most ppl use in arguments, we are talking about DPS who ride your tail even on a single mob, focused fire. (My LS gives me praise for being the only tank they know who can hold hate as they go full out.)

Trust me, they ride the line.

No matter how I split my attacks, I will NEVER catch up.

Provoke? Doesnt matter, DoTs override it in a tick.

Now, Once I gain Rage of Halone, I'm finally given an option to try and out match the DPS, but even then, it takes TIME to build up enough threat on BOTH targets, and by then, the 1st mob has nearly killed the healer, and everyone B*tches.

Me and my LS have TRIED this at a few different levels, to get a good grasp on threat.

You do NOT have the tools EVERY time, only in certain class/level combinations.

Also dependent on a players ability to maximize DPS.
(A lot of solo WoW players will maximize their DPS, whilst still being the guy who stands in fire, and doesnt focus fire.)

Halatali is one of the examples where DPS really start pushing threat bad, and MOST DPS in Halatali are still too new to know how not to pull threat, focus fire, or care about pulling hate, because the content is easy enough still.

By Halatali, I refused to join a group or duty finder, unless i knew at LEAST one DPS, making me know i only have to worry about 1 DPS pulling the wrong mobs.

[Kerrath]

Not even to a mage pressing all trinkets/CDs and starting the fight with Arcane Blast>>Arcane Blast>>Arcane Blast>>Arcane Blast>>Arcane Blast>>Arcane Blast>>Arcane Blast ?

I'll be fair, I played a paladin and a death knight--so no.

[Jayded]

ITT: WoW tanks wanting to press 1 button for infinite agro. Work for it kids.