Tanking Frustration: I blame WoW

[cabsNeezy]

I just want to vent to you fellow tanks off an assumption of mine.

I've recently tanked dungeons with people who obviously aren't strangers to MMO's because of they way they understand dungeoning mechanics.

However tanking in this game is hard because of how (My assumption) Warcraft evolved tanking to be so faceroll.

DPS classes I play with automatically start going buckwild on mobs I just pulled (Namely Bards and BLM) before I can even get a Savage Blade or Flash on them.

These people are so used to faceroll tanking and instant aggro from WoW that it makes tanking frustrating and them rage at me for not having aggro.

Vent end. Have you guys had similar experiences?

[Delorean]

you're not spamming flash enough

bind a sign for kill target

if they still pulling after that hope they have fun tanking

[cabsNeezy]

you're not spamming flash enough

bind a sign for kill target

if they still pulling after that hope they have fun tanking

Thanks for the advice, but like I explained, I'm mostly annoyed at retard DPS who start going nuts on mobs in transit from my shield lob before I can make range for a flash.

[James1213]

I get fustrated on this too. I even tell the group to wait till they see two flashes from to start going wild. Another annoyance is healers who will cast regen on as you are running in.

[Delorean]

Thanks for the advice, but like I explained, I'm mostly annoyed at retard DPS who start going nuts on mobs in transit from my shield lob before I can make range for a flash.

then you should tell them that you cannot maintain threat while they are running away making it impossible to land a melee attack much less a flash and that doing your job will be easier if they just wait for you to be the first to initiate threat on targets

but trying to be faster than your group could also help you if the problem is frequent

[Kuvu]

you're not spamming flash enough

bind a sign for kill target

if they still pulling after that hope they have fun tanking

Doesn't matter how much you spam flash in the start, for me its a 2.5 second refresh, and it takes at least 2 to set agro sometimes 3 depending on how stupid the dps are. I tell lancers and archers to count to 6 when i pull to let me get hate on the target and it seems to work for the most part. Dps are idiots, they don't wait for anything they see mobs they start firing or better yet archers see more then one mob,,,, omg i MUST use aoe attack no matter what.

Think its bad now just wait till the meters come out and its going to be pure hell for tanks. Sometimes i just let the dps with agro die a few times and they get the message. I saw a lot of this in mid 30 to early 40 ish but its not so bad now but hell even in HM ifriti i engage him and dps goes bat shit, its not really an issue for me but i feel sorry for the warrior and they do that, i have to provoke the mob get it on me so they can get agro set to take it off me. Its ridicules,

Read the top post on page 5 of this thread. That is how provoke works.

It matches your current threat to the threat of the person who currently has highest plus 1 point of threat/damage. Provoke will turn a mob to you, but will not hold it if he person who had threat performs any action and you do not. Provoke doesn't really earn any threat, it just matches your threat to the highest in the group. So if you currently have threat and use Provoke, it won't do anything except go on cool down. Similarly, if you use it when you do not have threat, it will pullt he mob too you, but it is up to you to continue to earn more threat per second than the person you pulled it off of.

Wrong and here is your sign, if a dps is getting beat on they need to stop dpsing (which they don't) and bring it to the tank or stand still. If the tank is doing all they can and there hate is maxed and the dps still pulls it off at times the dps needs to see that and slow the heck down, its not a race to kill mob but some of them don't see it like that.

[Evilmog]

Well, it was actually Everquest Warriors that trivialized tanking (AFK corner tanking anyone?)

The issues that I'm having, shouldn't even be an issue. I'll use HM Ifrit as an example. I (A warrior) pull with with tomahawk, shortly after tomahawk hits a WMG with regen me. I lose hate, so I provoke / flash. Nope not enough to pull it back, still only at a solid yellow triangle for hate.

Ok, sure you can toss some blame on the healer regening me as I pull before I have him positioned, but how on earth is provoke not throwing me on top?

[Inosaska]

Well, it was actually Everquest Warriors that trivialized tanking (AFK corner tanking anyone?)

The issues that I'm having, shouldn't even be an issue. I'll use HM Ifrit as an example. I (A warrior) pull with with tomahawk, shortly after tomahawk hits a WMG with regen me. I lose hate, so I provoke / flash. Nope not enough to pull it back, still only at a solid yellow triangle for hate.

Ok, sure you can toss some blame on the healer regening me as I pull before I have him positioned, but how on earth is provoke not throwing me on top?

I believe provoke was nerfed because of people abusing it by pulling fate bosses and running away causing a forced reset I think.

[Devilair]

I believe provoke was nerfed because of people abusing it by pulling fate bosses and running away causing a forced reset I think.

Aslo provoke CAN be resisted :\

[Sakasa]

I pull with with tomahawk, shortly after tomahawk hits a WMG with regen me. I lose hate, so I provoke / flash.

Ok, sure you can toss some blame on the healer regening me as I pull before I have him positioned, but how on earth is provoke not throwing me on top?

Provoke only matches you to highest enmity on the list at the time of use it does not generate extra enmity besides the passive (litterally standing not doing anything so less then auto attack). Which is why it is separate from GCD. So it was possible you got moved to the top of the list before the tick cure enmity was added making the whm trump you again.