Not being able to buy single items from a stack on the marketward.

[Sinbios]

Too many of you are confused, being a nice guy I will explain this ONE LAST TIME-

Iron Ore:

The retainer AAA AAA- Lists 40x99 stacks of Iron Ore at 1 gil per. This isnt enough... Bob makes a second character, AAAA AAAA who he lists 40x99 more Iron Ore at 1 gil per.

System successfully ruined, forever.

...how is the system "ruined"? If Iron Ore is so abundant that Bob feels that he is making a profit by selling it at 1 gil, then maybe Iron Ore is truly only worth 1 gil on the market. If it's actually worth 3 gil, why doesn't your BBB BBB buy up all the listings at 1 gil and relist them for 3 gil? This is how a real exchange works.

You avoided the point of my post, with good reason because I doubt anyone could remotely argue its potent logic

lol.

Ruining the market, because you cant be bothered to find a use for 2 extra of an item, wont fly. There will not be the 10 people selling the item, that you saw, in this terrible idea's world. There will only ever be one person selling, the lowest priced person. So this does no good for the market, only as a tool to help people buy the exact amount of something they want.

What exactly do you think is "good" for the market? Have you ever participated in a real-life commodities or stock exchange? Your assumption that only the lowest seller will sell anything hinges on that seller having so much supply that it will meet all any and all demand, and in that case the laws of supply and demand say the supply far outstrips demand and therefore the price really should be that low. How is artificially making viable goods priced higher than the bulk supply "good" for the market? Your idea of how a market should work is indeed as Almalexia says, ludicrous.

[Bizzybeast]

Why can't we use RL comparisons? This maybe a game but it still simulates an economy that is similar to a real economy.

Because it isn't real life, its a video game, thats why making RL analogies is stupid. Simulates a real life economy? When was the last time you bought Iron Ore, forged it into ingots, made a sword, infused it with magical properties, and went outside to slay 15 foot turtles?


Dont answer that. But here, I will give yet another trumping RL example if you so insist on them- Go to the store and find toilet paper. Now look and you will single rolls at probably 1.25$ each. No grab a 12 pack, probably around 10$, and bring it up to the counter.

Now right before the cashier scans the pack, I want you to stop him, rip open the bulk package and take ONE roll out. Then demand you still get it at the bulk discount. When the manager comes over I then when you to scream out "BECAUSE FINAL FANTASY ONLINE IS REAL LIFE!".

Report back what happened and how comfy the padded room is.

Now if the market didn't think Iron ore was worth 1 gil then person AAA and AAAA's product would sell out instantly and the price will rise then stabilize to it's true price.

I don't see how this current system works, Esp. When you're taxed TWICE because you have to resale an amount you don't need. Besides buying specific amounts works GREAT in EvE and that game's economy blows FFXIV ARR out of the water.

Oh well the price will just stabilize to its true price, duh, how silly of me. Here I thought that will never happen, because people will continue to acquire massive amounts of supply, with an ever dwindling demand.

Also this isnt EVE, you are truly confused as to what youre playing and the fact that it is a video game. That sucks that you dont see how this current system works, but that doesnt mean smashing terrible mechanics into it is the answer. What if you needed Iron Ore and there were none listed? Because the way the system works is its 'out of stock' in singles for people like you, while someone else is happy to buy an entire stack. Destroying the entire market system because you cant find singles of items, isnt going to work for- Everyone else.

It's a ludicrous scenario: the item is sold by vendors for like 3 gil. Even if someone were dumb enough to put 3960 iron ore--or anything--on sale for 1g all at once, it would get snapped up so fast it would only affect one guy and his 40 slots of lost inventory space.

Wrong, its not 3 gil, its 18 gil per. And you're double wrong, as plenty of items are flooded with over supply at absurdly cheap prices. I guess youll be buying them all up on every server? Problem solved? Everyone makes profit! You hero you!

I jumped to the bottom, didnt think I would have to explain it step by step. Ill do so now. It sells for 18gil per, so we have to assume it wont sell over that (I know it does in some cases). So I guess I start at 17 gil per. You would buy off my stack, of course duh, because its the cheapest. Oops here we go, another stack is 16 per, NOM NOM GET IT! Grrr, well 15 for mine now! Somebody else grrrs too, 14. 13! 12! 11! 7 (that guys super mad about price drops and is liquidating his iron ore).

No price above the lowest will EVER. EVER. EVER. EVER. EVER sell. It will ONLY ever be the lowest. Currently this is not true. I could sell 99 at 10 per, yet you still buy the 5 at 15 per because you didnt need 99. So we have a market where multiple sellers can sell their product, not just the one whose "dumb" enough to sell it the lowest. So that means me, Mr.Bulk Miner, can sell, and you Mr.I Bought 2 too many, can sell yours AT THE VERY SAME TIME!!!

...how is the system "ruined"? If Iron Ore is so abundant that Bob feels that he is making a profit by selling it at 1 gil, then maybe Iron Ore is truly only worth 1 gil on the market. If it's actually worth 3 gil, why doesn't your BBB BBB buy up all the listings at 1 gil and relist them for 3 gil? This is how a real exchange works.

Wow youre one of those people who watches an infomercial where they pretend they will only sell 10 of something, and the number flashes to 3 on the screen so you just have to order. Meanwhile some guy somewhere is loading the 100th truck with the thousandth box of the item there was only 10 of. Why did Bob's fingers break and he cant list more Iron Ore and laugh at the guy selling it at a higher price.

I guess thats how a real exchange works though, were you buy up everything super cheap at a Shopright, then sit out front and sell them for more. I must have missed that business seminar on real life exchanges.

lol.

My thoughts exactly.

What exactly do you think is "good" for the market? Have you ever participated in a real-life commodities or stock exchange? Your assumption that only the lowest seller will sell anything hinges on that seller having so much supply that it will meet all any and all demand, and in that case the laws of supply and demand say the supply far outstrips demand and therefore the price really should be that low. How is artificially making viable goods priced higher than the bulk supply "good" for the market? Your idea of how a market should work is indeed as Almalexia says, ludicrous.

This isnt real life, this is Final Fantasy, which is a video game. In real life I make 6 figures buying and reselling antiquities, so I literally have the experience to back it up. But this isnt real life, once again, this is a video game and has almost NOTHING to do with real life.

Im starting to think some of you have a real issue with blurring reality with your video games.

Anyway shrink mode disengaged and now to tackle your dull point. Yes, they do have the supply to do it. Especially considering they do not need to keep supply up, all they have to do is sell the lowest while they resupply.

And we ALREADY are seeing the markets have no heavy demand. You keep throwing out real life every 5 seconds, yet ignore that you literally understand BULK SUPPLY. Thats how it works, you buy in bulk you spend less.

Like, uhh, duh?

Also its not how my idea of a market should work. Its how the market does work. You guys are trying to change the system, not me. Im simply educating you on how it works and why it works better then the shoddy system you want to smash into it.

It wont work and it will not happen, I am sorry to inform you of this. Dont blame me though for taking the time to break it down for yahs. DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, lol.

[Darlantan]

^ I am convinced that you don't know what you're talking about, literally.

[Bizzybeast]

^ I am convinced that you don't know what you're talking about, literally.

Welcome, have a seat, i've been at the conclusion for several of you for awhile now.

Funny how you said several of us... Why is it that several of us are in disagreement with you and your false-biased ideas but yet the several of us are all on the same page? Hmmmm....

It has nothing to do with the topic at hand does it? Thats like several people kicking a dude on the ground and one of them having the audacity to call him violent.

You can get as mad as you want Darlene, I honestly dont care in the least. I was explaining WHY the idea is shit and WHY it will never happen.

When it does happen, feel free to come revisit the "We are right, youre wrong" angle.

Sorry. Good luck!

[Darlantan]

Welcome, have a seat, i've been at the conclusion for several of you for awhile now.

Funny how you said several of us... Why is it that several of us are in disagreement with you and your false-biased ideas but yet the several of us are all on the same page? Hmmmm....

[Geobryn]

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I get your point but problem is, the UI is not ready for that. You can not easily manage what you are selling and edit it
for example lets say i have 500 iron ore and want it to sell it one by one, there is no room for 500 orders at retainer!
and even if there was, just setting up those 500 orders would kill me, not talking about changing price at them :P
heck even the 40 is painful

adding "bulk only" checkbox would fix that aspect and made it manageable, because i could change the price for 99 sell orders at once, there could be even limit to how many of one material you can put on auciton, like 1 30x stack or something, that way it would prevent "flooding", because i cant seem to find "pages" at auction, its 100 things listed the END. If 3 ppl put up 120 sell orders of 1's for 10 gill you wont be able to even see stacks of 99 if they will cost more, and clicking to buy 100 items like that is also kind of .... or did i missed some button ?

also adding buy orders to the game could clear the market a bit, because whats wrong with saying i buy 10 iron for 5 gil each, if someone wants fast money they will throw it at me -> win win situation

[Jinko]

I get your point but problem is, the UI is not ready for that. You can not easily manage what you are selling and edit it
for example lets say i have 500 iron ore and want it to sell it one by one, there is no room for 500 orders at retainer!
and even if there was, just setting up those 500 orders would kill me, not talking about changing price at them :P
heck even the 40 is painful

Agree a UI were you could put in X amount of X at X each and click ok and the system sort the bundles out and post them to your retainer atomically would be awesome.

Problem is SE never think of anything intuitive, even when they do it turns out cumbersome and convoluted, so I am not even sure I would want them to try this.

I'd sooner wait for add-ons and someone with slight common sense to design something instead.

Also agree with you about having selling limits, for example. iron ore:-

(BASICALLY A MAXIMUM OF 99 ITEMS OF ONE SORT PER RETAINER)
20 x single (ore of the same sort) per retainer - maximum (because we only have 20 slots)
4 stacks of 24 (of the same sort) per retainer
3 stacks of 33 (of the same sort) per retainer
2 stacks of 49 (of the same sort) per retainer
1 stack of 99 (of the same sort) per retainer

or any variation of selling 99 items in multiple stacks.

This would stop one single person (RMT) from flooding the market, it would also make people more likely to gather multiples of different items instead of non stop levelling off of one resource and crashing prices.

Buy orders :-

The above suggestion would also make buy orders more fair as once someone's stack of 99 sold, the next person in line would be up for grabs, buy orders suffers the same undercutting problems as buying singles from a stack, because the system is automated to buy the cheapest price a buyer specifies, so if 1 person puts up 40 stacks of 50 of 1 item for cheap they have basically screwed everyone else over.

Buy orders are pretty useless when it comes to small stacks, for the time it takes for the order to be filled you may as well have gone out and mined it yourself.