SE, Please increase primal drops or add Token System

[DwightParkman]

no to this thread, if you cant get the drop your waiting for, then try again another time, instead you should be happy that the other people in your community got better gear assuming you completed the content, making your next run in endgame content easier. treat this game as a mmo, not a single player game. when other people get better gear, that means YOU are getting better gear. when you run a dungeon or raid with them next time, they will have better stats dammit. all of you people need to stop thinking like self centered children and realise this is a mmorpg.

[Huginn]

Dear SE,

Thank you for allowing us to lot on the ifrit weapon drops. So many times i was unable to give away the extra weapons that i already had copies of during the much more difficult ifrit fight in 1.0

Increasing the drop rate to 100% for a single weapon was also very nice of you. Only having to run 8 times for each party member to get a weapon, even if it isnt the one they want is a sure nice improvement over going 11 runs with no weapon drops.

Thank you SE, you needn't pay attention to the people who want INSTANT GRATIFICATION.

[EdwinLi]

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Will I say why not have both?

Primal Hard Mode can

- Provide 1 Primal Specific Token by default to all members of the group (dead and alive) for defeating the HM Primal. Once you collect enough you can trade the toeks for a Primal Weapon of the Primal you get your token from. All Primal tokens colected will be stored in Token section of your Character page under Tomes collected section

- Defeating the HM Primal will still provide the 1 random Primal Specific Weapon from the chest.

- There should also be other special items you can get by trading the Primal Tokens. For example, you can trade in the Ifrit tokens for a the Ifrit weapon but you can instead trade those tokens for a special Ifrit Armor set or Ifrit Mini-pet.

[Arale]

No!... no more effin tokens. Had enough of that crap. "Oh no poor Timmy has had bad luck, lets give him his loser trophy so he'll feel accomplished" Not sure if maybe an increase in drop rate for some weapons are needed but more token b/s is defninitely not.

I can hardly remember the last time I was excited for winning an end game item drop thanks to those stupid tokens. I much prefer 100 runs with nothing then with a huge "wooh! Finally! /equip" at the 101st, than a "I need to run this exactly 20 times to get enough tokens."

If you do 60 runs of ifrit, garuda, or god forbid titan and have no weapon, then you damn well deserve one because you've accomplished 60 runs thusly with nothing to show for it. That is archaic game design. Even if you got a token currency that required 20 or 30 runs, at least the people who lucked out on RNG would be able to obtain their weapons in time instead of grinding for a "chance". Chance is fun the first few times, but it becomes depressing once you hit the double digits of runs with no drop.

[BlaiseArath]

Will I say why not have both?

My post was actually made with the intent to say a mix of both would be the best course of action, Simply not making Tokens a "run and done" easy way, but instead a farther off Obtainable goal, where RNG May favor you before you earn the tokens but if you get so unlucky to say.. 0/20 or 0/30 then You'd have earned the tokens to buy the weapon.

Keeps the general "rarity" of said weapons while giving players a tangible foreseeable goal to work for. To the naysayers all that needs to be said is that every person finds fun and motivation from different sources, While you're content with the current system, some people may not be. We ask not for a nerf, but for a means of obtainment beyond the simple RNG factor. Not easy mode, not handed to us, just a goal.

Adding Armor/Pets is actually not a bad idea too... But I think that was their intent when they added Philo/Myth too the fights. I mean, i see what SE did, I'm just not sure i agree that in some cases the effort of getting Primal Weapons is more than required to get a relic simply due to the RNG Factor.

[TrystWildkey]

So, I'm supposed to wait weeks, months, who knows how long to get a primal weapon if I'm unlucky.

Ok, if you feel that way, let's make getting into the Amdapor Keep dungeon the same rng.

Oh, sorry, rng gods say you don't get in today, try again later! No instant gratification for you!

I am for a token system. I don't want it to be a small amount of tokens, I do expect to work for a primal weapon, but, there should be something in place that will eventually get me a weapon rather than the all too real possibility that I'd NEVER get one.

[rtpsoulx]

Agree with OP and I have relic. So it's not a matter, "I can't get this, so it must be changed"

I think it's bad game design that people are killing the primals 30 times and not getting the right drop.

It's not really bad game design, theres a % chance that you will get what you want, there being 9 jobs you have a 1 in 9 chance of getting the weapon you want. I just got my Ifrit Claws last night after farming him all week, yeah it sucked but it felt sooooooooo good when it finally dropped for me. Thats the feeling you should get when you get a primal weapon or any drop for that matter.

[MartaDemireux]

Thank you SE, you needn't pay attention to the people who want INSTANT GRATIFICATION.

I've gone over 30 runs and saw only BLM weapons drop outside of 1 PLD and 2 DRG. I'd say wanting my weapon via tokens by this point is by no means instant gratification.

The real kicker is in order to even get a serious invite to garuda/titan for my relic completion I NEED the Ifrit one. At least that's how it is on my server. And don't pretend it's not common for people in DF (especially the tanks since they know they won't wait long) to check gear and then immediately drop.

[EdwinLi]

Adding Armor/Pets is actually not a bad idea too... But I think that was their intent when they added Philo/Myth too the fights. I mean, i see what SE did, I'm just not sure i agree that in some cases the effort of getting Primal Weapons is more than required to get a relic simply due to the RNG Factor.

Well the Tome only for Darklight and AF2.

There need to be a few more varieties other than Darklight and Primal Specific Armor sets can also provide more reason to go back to HM Primal fights because most people only stay for Primal Hard Mode because they want the weapon and for Relic quest and once they're done with those they never come back since the Primal HM doesn't reward anything else out side of Weapon and Relic Quest. The tome reward is also too small in people's views and running dungeons is more rewarding in tomes than the Primal HM fights.

[KyteStones]

idk why people are still crying about gil. There's no problems with the gil. I have 400K all from quests, levequests, guildhests, and selling drops from dungeons at reasonable prices. And I haven't bought any equipment, since you basically everything from quests in this game and not to mention you get 2.5K on MOST level 40-50 quests per allagan bag anyways. I have no idea what you people are buy atm, since everything is pretty much obtainable in the game with out buying crafted gear. Even endgame stuff can be done all on your own with spending next to nothing, repair bills maybe but seriously. What are you people buying?