SE, Please increase primal drops or add Token System

[BlaiseArath]

Will I say why not have both?

My post was actually made with the intent to say a mix of both would be the best course of action, Simply not making Tokens a "run and done" easy way, but instead a farther off Obtainable goal, where RNG May favor you before you earn the tokens but if you get so unlucky to say.. 0/20 or 0/30 then You'd have earned the tokens to buy the weapon.

Keeps the general "rarity" of said weapons while giving players a tangible foreseeable goal to work for. To the naysayers all that needs to be said is that every person finds fun and motivation from different sources, While you're content with the current system, some people may not be. We ask not for a nerf, but for a means of obtainment beyond the simple RNG factor. Not easy mode, not handed to us, just a goal.

Adding Armor/Pets is actually not a bad idea too... But I think that was their intent when they added Philo/Myth too the fights. I mean, i see what SE did, I'm just not sure i agree that in some cases the effort of getting Primal Weapons is more than required to get a relic simply due to the RNG Factor.

[EdwinLi]

Adding Armor/Pets is actually not a bad idea too... But I think that was their intent when they added Philo/Myth too the fights. I mean, i see what SE did, I'm just not sure i agree that in some cases the effort of getting Primal Weapons is more than required to get a relic simply due to the RNG Factor.

Well the Tome only for Darklight and AF2.

There need to be a few more varieties other than Darklight and Primal Specific Armor sets can also provide more reason to go back to HM Primal fights because most people only stay for Primal Hard Mode because they want the weapon and for Relic quest and once they're done with those they never come back since the Primal HM doesn't reward anything else out side of Weapon and Relic Quest. The tome reward is also too small in people's views and running dungeons is more rewarding in tomes than the Primal HM fights.

[Balaur]

My post was actually made with the intent to say a mix of both would be the best course of action, Simply not making Tokens a "run and done" easy way, but instead a farther off Obtainable goal, where RNG May favor you before you earn the tokens but if you get so unlucky to say.. 0/20 or 0/30 then You'd have earned the tokens to buy the weapon.

Make it 45 tokens, with a cap on 15/week. This way each week you have the chance to get your weapon and, if you end up getting it before you hit 45 tokens, you can then use those tokens to acquire another Primal weapon from that token system after three weeks. Or, you can make it a month, and have it require 60 tokens. 1 month, or you can spend your life away dashing yourselves against the mountain of the RNG Gods.

[Malamasala]

I love how people call "equal effort equal reward" instant gratification, while they praise current systems where you can get them in 1 run due to luck.

Keep doing your thing people. You are the comedy of the Internet.

[Dazusu]

I love how people call "equal effort equal reward" instant gratification, while they praise current systems where you can get them in 1 run due to luck.

Keep doing your thing people. You are the comedy of the Internet.

"luck" and "RNG" have always been part of MMOs. It's time we accept that this is a small part of what made MMOs great. People don't stick to MMOs anymore, they hop around them every couple of weeks or months, and its things like token systems (which lead to boredom after the content is complete) that promotes it. Getting your drop after one run is technically instant gratification in a different context. In reality though - it's pure luck. It's nice to have *some* random elements to the game that require brute endurance and stamina. Sure, keep some token systems in the game -- but absolutely everything doesn't have to have a predefined ending/win.

[Atrious]

I love how people call "equal effort equal reward" instant gratification, while they praise current systems where you can get them in 1 run due to luck.

Keep doing your thing people. You are the comedy of the Internet.

Exactly this....

You know whats funny? Its the LUCKY people that get it on first run that are the first to say no to the tokens.

[minihalcyon]

No tokens. This is coming from someone who ran ifrit dozens of times to get the two weapons that I do have back in 1.0, before SE implemented a tokens system. Never got my Mog weapon back then, but I'm not crying about it.

[Kayo]

You know whats funny? Its the LUCKY people that get it on first run that are the first to say no to the tokens.

No tokens. This is coming from someone who ran ifrit dozens of times to get the two weapons that I do have back in 1.0, before SE implemented a tokens system. Never got my Mog weapon back then, but I'm not crying about it.

LOL!

Not that I think tokens are instant gratification, but the luck thing applies to everyone. I may get lucky with a Bow today, but take forever with the next item. RNG is more exciting and masks the grind with anticipation. Tokens make it a boring grind after the first run.

"Will I get it this time!?" > "6 down 24 to go..." dont care if I end up doing it 100 times.

Like I said before, maybe they should up the chances or drop more at a time ... but tokens suck. Why would you want end game to be so streamlined anyway? So you can grind your monotonous predetermined amount then cry about how you have nothing to do?

[DwightParkman]

no to this thread, if you cant get the drop your waiting for, then try again another time, instead you should be happy that the other people in your community got better gear assuming you completed the content, making your next run in endgame content easier. treat this game as a mmo, not a single player game. when other people get better gear, that means YOU are getting better gear. when you run a dungeon or raid with them next time, they will have better stats dammit. all of you people need to stop thinking like self centered children and realise this is a mmorpg.

[Huginn]

Dear SE,

Thank you for allowing us to lot on the ifrit weapon drops. So many times i was unable to give away the extra weapons that i already had copies of during the much more difficult ifrit fight in 1.0

Increasing the drop rate to 100% for a single weapon was also very nice of you. Only having to run 8 times for each party member to get a weapon, even if it isnt the one they want is a sure nice improvement over going 11 runs with no weapon drops.

Thank you SE, you needn't pay attention to the people who want INSTANT GRATIFICATION.