Bard readjustment

[Thotor]

-Song isn't only for us.

Exactly song is not only for SMN. By playing mana song, what happens ?
Bard loose 20% dps.
BLM loose 10% dps because we are not playing Requiem.

So unless, you have used a rez and are in dire need of mana, as a SMN, you should never rely on mana song from bard.

And how exactly do you get decently geared before doing AK?
Of course it's easy if you over-gear the content. That's true for any class.

Wanderer Palace, Castrum etc...
You are not supposed to do AK at fresh 50. Correct order is WP first to get iLevel 55.

But tbh even with low gear, 2 Bard will still own the wall without LB.

[Eckoh]

Exactly song is not only for SMN. By playing mana song, what happens ?
Bard loose 20% dps.
BLM loose 10% dps because we are not playing Requiem.

So unless, you have used a rez and are in dire need of mana, as a SMN, you should never rely on mana song from bard.


Wanderer Palace, Castrum etc...
You are not supposed to do AK at fresh 50. Correct order is WP first to get iLevel 55.

But tbh even with low gear, 2 Bard will still own the wall without LB.

req is garbage and should NEVER be played... its not a 10% DPS increase for BLM its a 10% resistance reduction for the boss and that can amount to 0 gain on many bosses. Mana song is the only song ever worth playing.

Even then mana song is ONLY for healers the loss of DPS for the bard is greater then the DPS increase others will gain. Also you use songs in the smallest incriments of time possible.. For example healers are below 60% mana, you pop mana song and battle voice then when voice is done turn off song because in that 30 seconds they should be back up to 90%+ mana, then wait until they are below 30% to play again, and if your guild is not garbage the encounter should be over or 5 minutes has passed to use voice again.

Bards are NOT a support class. This game is a trinity game, Bards area DPS with group utility. Trating a bard as a support class only shows your ignorance of the games mechanics.

[Syndication]

In fairness, Bard WAS a support class with a CNJ subclass needed. Then SE bent over to appease the "Bard isn't enough DD!" complaints and made pug the necessary sub class. Now bard is somewhere in between a support and dd.

[Eckoh]

In fairness, Bard WAS a support class with a CNJ subclass needed. Then SE bent over to appease the "Bard isn't enough DD!" complaints and made pug the necessary sub class. Now bard is somewhere in between a support and dd.

no its not... its a full out DPS just like the summon is a DPS or the monk. It WAS a support in the old system but it s gone. This game is not based on the holy trinity,TANK DPS HEALER system. Support classes do not function in this system. When more jobs are added it might go back to that but as it sits now they are DPS with utility, not a support class.

[Thotor]

req is garbage and should NEVER be played... its not a 10% DPS increase for BLM its a 10% resistance reduction for the boss and that can amount to 0 gain on many bosses. Mana song is the only song ever worth playing.

I am not sure about this. Our BLM clearly has seen an increase on every encounter so far.
Also it was stated at some point that monster resistance were removed so Requiem act as a 10% damage increase (That's what i kept reading from 1.0/beta players). It could be that some boss in coil are immune but this would need confirmation.

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Bards are NOT a support class. This game is a trinity game, Bards area DPS with group utility. Trating a bard as a support class only shows your ignorance of the games mechanics.

I agree completely with you there.

[Eckoh]

I am not sure about this. Our BLM clearly has seen an increase on every encounter so far.
Also it was stated at some point that monster resistance were removed so Requiem act as a 10% damage increase (That's what i kept reading from 1.0/beta players). It could be that some boss in coil are immune but this would need confirmation.


I agree completely with you there.

even if it was an increase for the blm the sheer fact that you are using mana means you might not have mana for mana song when needed. If a healer dies it is a MUST to be able to give them mana song when they get rezed or they might as well stay dead. It simply is not an effective use of the mana. In a 24 man it MIGHT be different when you have 4+ bards... but in an 8 man anything but mana song is wasting mana.

[Lancerz]

I hate to rain on your parade, but I would hardly call the lack of a DD limit break "nothing".
Have you tried to run Demon Wall or Ifrit (Hardmode) with only Bard DD?
Not wholly impossible, but without a doubt harder than bringing other DD's that can limit break.

Demon wall or AK all together is so easy with 2 bards. You don't need the dd limit break because by the time the 2 bees spawn demon wall will be dead or close to it and you can just ignore the bees. Done it plenty of times like that.

[HecatesLover]

req is garbage and should NEVER be played... Snip

Requiem doesn't hurt the Bard's damage at all and it is a huge increase for BLM. Doing Praetorium earlier tonight requiem literally reduced our boss kill times by about a third when I had Battle Voice up.

[Dandelion_Mariposa]

I'm a bard, and honestly.. The 20% drop in damage is nothing.

[Thotor]

even if it was an increase for the blm the sheer fact that you are using mana means you might not have mana for mana song when needed. If a healer dies it is a MUST to be able to give them mana song when they get rezed or they might as well stay dead. It simply is not an effective use of the mana. In a 24 man it MIGHT be different when you have 4+ bards... but in an 8 man anything but mana song is wasting mana.

You don't need a full mana bar for mana song. Turn off requiem when you reach half mana if you are in a fight that will require mana song.