Bard readjustment

[Eckoh]

Exactly song is not only for SMN. By playing mana song, what happens ?
Bard loose 20% dps.
BLM loose 10% dps because we are not playing Requiem.

So unless, you have used a rez and are in dire need of mana, as a SMN, you should never rely on mana song from bard.


Wanderer Palace, Castrum etc...
You are not supposed to do AK at fresh 50. Correct order is WP first to get iLevel 55.

But tbh even with low gear, 2 Bard will still own the wall without LB.

req is garbage and should NEVER be played... its not a 10% DPS increase for BLM its a 10% resistance reduction for the boss and that can amount to 0 gain on many bosses. Mana song is the only song ever worth playing.

Even then mana song is ONLY for healers the loss of DPS for the bard is greater then the DPS increase others will gain. Also you use songs in the smallest incriments of time possible.. For example healers are below 60% mana, you pop mana song and battle voice then when voice is done turn off song because in that 30 seconds they should be back up to 90%+ mana, then wait until they are below 30% to play again, and if your guild is not garbage the encounter should be over or 5 minutes has passed to use voice again.

Bards are NOT a support class. This game is a trinity game, Bards area DPS with group utility. Trating a bard as a support class only shows your ignorance of the games mechanics.

[Thotor]

req is garbage and should NEVER be played... its not a 10% DPS increase for BLM its a 10% resistance reduction for the boss and that can amount to 0 gain on many bosses. Mana song is the only song ever worth playing.

I am not sure about this. Our BLM clearly has seen an increase on every encounter so far.
Also it was stated at some point that monster resistance were removed so Requiem act as a 10% damage increase (That's what i kept reading from 1.0/beta players). It could be that some boss in coil are immune but this would need confirmation.

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Bards are NOT a support class. This game is a trinity game, Bards area DPS with group utility. Trating a bard as a support class only shows your ignorance of the games mechanics.

I agree completely with you there.

[Eckoh]

I am not sure about this. Our BLM clearly has seen an increase on every encounter so far.
Also it was stated at some point that monster resistance were removed so Requiem act as a 10% damage increase (That's what i kept reading from 1.0/beta players). It could be that some boss in coil are immune but this would need confirmation.


I agree completely with you there.

even if it was an increase for the blm the sheer fact that you are using mana means you might not have mana for mana song when needed. If a healer dies it is a MUST to be able to give them mana song when they get rezed or they might as well stay dead. It simply is not an effective use of the mana. In a 24 man it MIGHT be different when you have 4+ bards... but in an 8 man anything but mana song is wasting mana.

[Thotor]

even if it was an increase for the blm the sheer fact that you are using mana means you might not have mana for mana song when needed. If a healer dies it is a MUST to be able to give them mana song when they get rezed or they might as well stay dead. It simply is not an effective use of the mana. In a 24 man it MIGHT be different when you have 4+ bards... but in an 8 man anything but mana song is wasting mana.

You don't need a full mana bar for mana song. Turn off requiem when you reach half mana if you are in a fight that will require mana song.

[mushashi]

right now all dps on tank and spank are doing the same dps(250-300) with the best gear.
But when u have movement in all dps goes down to 190-220 but bard dps reamin at 250-270.
who dotn see the problem with the SUPPORT class being the best dps on the game have a problem with bias.
After 14 years playing to mmorpgs i got the felling that utility come with less dps and complex class come with more dps,but seeing the balance of this game with bards faceroll support class being the ebst dps and paladins balance versus warrior i think that square never have played to an mmorpg

[Bardo]

who dotn see the problem with the SUPPORT class being the best dps on the game have a problem with bias.

OH, I see the problem.
You think Bard is a support class.

[HecatesLover]

req is garbage and should NEVER be played... Snip

Requiem doesn't hurt the Bard's damage at all and it is a huge increase for BLM. Doing Praetorium earlier tonight requiem literally reduced our boss kill times by about a third when I had Battle Voice up.

[klops]

req is garbage and should NEVER be played...

Sorry, this is a FFXIV forum. Please only post here if you actually play FFXIV.

Foe Requiem is the largest DPS increase in the game at the moment. A BRD BRD BLM DRG party with BRDs rotating FR will collectively parse higher than any other party setup in the game right now all things being equal. Furthermore, what are your alternatives? Mage's Ballad is a niche spell that, outside of Turn 2 and higher in Bahamut's Coil, is hardly necessary. Even then, most of its uses come in between fights while running around between pulls to regen MP during combat. Army's Paeon is entirely unnecessary in the aforementioned setup and is completely outclassed by FR regardless if there is at least one source of magic damage in your group.

[Eckoh]

Sorry, this is a FFXIV forum. Please only post here if you actually play FFXIV.

Foe Requiem is the largest DPS increase in the game at the moment

my guess is you NEVER do content until you out gear the content... as for e and my guild we do the content before everyone else.. we got the world 5th kill of turn 4, so please do not try to pretend you are good. Req lowers the RESISTANCE to elemental damage it only does something if the target had decent resistance to elemental damage and NONE of them do. It is a waste of mana.

and BTW the best progression guilds rarely take goons because summoners will ALWAYS out DPS them. the highest DPS comp right now is 2 bards 2 summoners.