Bard readjustment

[Elemia]

What SE clearly needs to do is get rid of the different classes and just have one.
A super class that can tank, heal and have insane dps.

So a Summoner

[Gallows]

Again I don't want to use the word nerf, but bards' damage needs to be lowered and songs need to have their debuff removed.

You think theyre OP now? Just wait till PvP gets put in the game. Theyll be unstoppable there. As for melee - I still cant hit a moving target on my Dragoon and Warrior. Might as well not even try to do PvP.

[NeonC]

Would a charging move that stuns fix the issue of Melee DPS not being able to catch targets? Imagine an attack that closes a large gap, very little damage, medium cool down and small stun and decent enmity? For Monk a rushing shoulder tackle, and Dragoon a fast immune jump with larger cooldown? Sorry if this is pretty dumb Im new to MMO's

[Warlyx]

You think theyre OP now? Just wait till PvP gets put in the game. Theyll be unstoppable there. As for melee - I still cant hit a moving target on my Dragoon and Warrior. Might as well not even try to do PvP.

PVP has another SKILLSET , u will get another whole set of skills....

[Refyll]

tr;dl: Don't play with Bards that won't play their job properly. At most Bards keep their songs up for a short amount of time. It isn't a DPS race. Goodness... >_>

[Scardon]

If they want to bump it up to 5-10 group size MAYBE they can have pure support roles but until then no. Bards being a 'support' class and lowering their DPS would require buffs that get a net sustain/gain in group DPS. They aren't willing to increase the bard damage penalty while adding a song that increases damage by 40-50% that doesn't use MP or even higher increase if it does. Then they would need to make OTHER songs just as powerful but can also stack so having multiple bards doesn't hobble groups. If you think bards are a support class you have no idea what a support class is.

Bards who refuse to play the MP song deserve all the wipes they WILL get.

Strategies with atypical setups is pointless. Unless you are speaking of average equipment AT BEST you are wasting everyone's time. 'We burned through fight mechanics with raw DPS its easy.' As soon as you prove 50%+ of the population doing that content has the same equipment or better that might mean something.

[PxDnNinja]

Currently songs lower damage dealt by 20%. This needs to be removed immediately. I have run into bards who refuse to use it on white mages because their damage will begin to suffer.Overall this is a terrible design. Songs should not be something a bard has to contemplate about using because he/she wants more dps rather than to buff allies.

This isn't a sign that Bards need to be fixed, it's a sign that those players need to be fixed. A Bard is supposed to do DPS, but also support the party. IF the White Mage is out of mana, the party will die, and that includes the DPS. I'll take a 20% hit to my DPS in order to keep us alive to kill the mobs.

[Eckoh]

Sorry, this is a FFXIV forum. Please only post here if you actually play FFXIV.

Foe Requiem is the largest DPS increase in the game at the moment

my guess is you NEVER do content until you out gear the content... as for e and my guild we do the content before everyone else.. we got the world 5th kill of turn 4, so please do not try to pretend you are good. Req lowers the RESISTANCE to elemental damage it only does something if the target had decent resistance to elemental damage and NONE of them do. It is a waste of mana.

and BTW the best progression guilds rarely take goons because summoners will ALWAYS out DPS them. the highest DPS comp right now is 2 bards 2 summoners.