Post Your Solution For Gil Generation

[valhalla]

The only reason anyone is pissed off about gil in vs gil out is because they're broke and looking to blame the economy. If you're a broke lvl 50 DoW then farm some mats and sell them. Every bit of gil you end up earning was ultimately generated from nothing. The fact that it passed hands before it got to you is irrelevant. You cannot spend more than you have, yet you can still continue to add gil to the economy. Ultimately you cannot subtract more gil than you earn. Gil will always be added to the economy.

[Aenarion]

I seriously doubt that there will be an issue

The ironic thing is, you have no more solid evidence to support your position than those you're arguing against.

The only reason anyone is pissed off about gil in vs gil out is because they're broke and looking to blame the economy.

I've made over 15 mil so far in ARR, how much have you made?

Every bit of gil you end up earning was ultimately generated from nothing. The fact that it passed hands before it got to you is irrelevant.

Gil sink/macro-econ are not your strong suit it seems.

You cannot spend more than you have, yet you can still continue to add gil to the economy. Ultimately you cannot subtract more gil than you earn. Gil will always be added to the economy.

May want to look up what deflation is and how it works.


Seriously, it's one thing to think that SE won't let the economy grew into a downward spiral (which I agree), or even that you don't think the current system has a deflationary pressure on it, but at least use arguments that won't make an econ 101 student chuckle.

[Feathery]

Once we get into the business of increasing available gil fountains it's a slippery slope from there on.. I think SE should stick with some conservatives measures, that is, maybe tweak the numbers just a little bit. Fact is most MMOs suffer from an enormous inflation it's not uncommon to see 20-40% inflation per year, I'm happy that so far it doesn't seem like that will be a problem in FFXIV:ARR.

There's a very interesting article about this here.

I would like to quote the part about SWG but character limits will unfortunately hinder me from that. But to paraphrase, SWG economy was initially very much like FFXIV:ARR the first 2 years, there were plenty of money drains and maintenance of character and possessions combined with a sparse amount of ways to generate new money kept inflation low. However eventually SOE decided to heed players cries and decrease gold out and increase gold in resulting in an inflationary boom later on, eventually leading to a situation where the "old" players would control the vast majority of wealth, while new players would be fighting for scraps off the table.

[AntonyB]

I've made over 15 mil so far in ARR, how much have you made?

No, you haven't made that much you have gained it from 1.0 players, I highly doubt you have generated 15mil on a new server. Basically it's just old gil passing around right now mostly and old gil going out of the game(applies only to legacy servers obviously) because there ain't no real gil creator in the game right now.

[BlazeChronic]

Gil fountains are fine, most of you just don't know where they are/how to use them. You tunnel-visionned your way to spamming AK 5 times a day without taking a step back and thinking about how you were going to fund all of that.

I'm sitting on almost a mill, not from my legacy account but from a fresh start on a fresh server. You guys will say "OMG you have no idea you are only level 36" but lodestone my char, and you will see where I got the money from. Yes I didn't focus all of my play-time on rushing to 50, and no I have never gone out of my way to do fates. I do them when they spawn close to where I'm at, and that's it.

If crafting and gathering isn't for you, sorry, go play WoW then - this game isn't for you. FFXIV is about diversification and the holy balance of the 3 disciplines, not repeating the same content over and over and over that you all seem to be so keen on doing.

I think our saving grace is that the free trial has ended today, and most of the people complaining (people who didn't play 1.0 or FFXI) will go back to whatever game they were playing, thinking this game is "dead" and "too grindy" or whatever.

SE will keep its core audience, as it always does, and we will support ourselves, as we havve always done, like no other MMO community.

[Aenarion]

Once we get into the business of increasing available gil fountains it's a slippery slope from there on.. I think SE should stick with some conservatives measures, that is, maybe tweak the numbers just a little bit. Fact is most MMOs suffer from an enormous inflation it's not uncommon to see 20-40% inflation per year

Agreed, ultimately it falls on the devs(who actually have the hard stats) to competently balance/adjust the economy.

Eve is going on 10 years, and there remains no runaway inflation in that game despite the multitudes of huge currency faucets because CCP has done a good job balancing the in/outs.

[LoLo]

Wait for the sinks to drain gil from legacy players to go away and for Yoshi to put something sustainable in once all servers have similar economies.

I never understood the legacy hate outside of being just jealously because they aren't holding you back from anything.

[Xariann]

Suggestions on Gil Generation

1. PvP for points used to turn in to a NPC for boxes of gil or for the Allagan pieces. This will encourage players into trying out PvP. You want Gil? Well let Yoshi-P floor your ass!

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Great suggestions right here (not enough space to quote them all).

Also people please remember anything that includes the market isn't gil generation. Besides, getting money from the market through crafting is getting difficult. People notice they aren't earning much money at 50 so they are wary of buying stuff from the Market. And LOADS of people are selling things below vendor price for some silly reason I can't fathom. Possibly because they are noticing they aren't selling much anymore, so they try to undercut everyone and don't check the vendor cost.

Next time I see that happen, I am going to buy all of those and vendor them. I wonder how much money THAT will get me.

[Feathery]

Agreed, ultimately it falls on the devs(who actually have the hard stats) to competently balance/adjust the economy.

Eve is going on 10 years, and there remains no runaway inflation in that game despite the multitudes of huge currency faucets because CCP has done a good job balancing the in/outs.

Yep, I definitely agree. The funny thing about EVE Online is that they are AFAIK the only MMO that has a Professor of Economics who is working with managing their economy.

[Aenarion]

No, you haven't made that much you have gained it from 1.0 players, I highly doubt you have generated 15mil on a new server. Basically it's just old gil passing around right now mostly and old gil going out of the game(applies only to legacy servers obviously) because there ain't no real gil creator in the game right now.

You may want to read my post again to see the point I was trying to make (hint: it's the same one you're trying to).

And no, I have not generated 15 mil, nor did I say I did - I MADE 15 mil, but overall I'd say I've probably erased about 2 mil from my server.