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    Quote Originally Posted by ApplePie View Post
    Your proof protect and shell works? Beyond you saying "it works," where is the proof? That isn't math. So excuse me while I don't use shell or protect because I take more damage with it on than off. Thx. Please get off your high horse. Is it that difficult to understand it doesn't work? You even posted they will "add more tiers" to protect in shell. You don't even know there are already multiple tiers of the spell available (ex. Shell I/II and Protect I/II) So please, you can remove yourself from this argument whenever you think possible.

    Uhhh i havent done side by side comparisons, but i know for a fact that shell is very effective at reducing the magic damage i take.

    Not in response to the above poster, but overall you guys are really bad at science. You have to test things only changing one variable, then you have to test it again on vastly different circumstances.

    Using an NM as a test is a bad example, NMs have special properties, and you have no idea what those properties are. You have no idea what equations you could be dealing with for example

    lets say the math looks like this,

    damage = (minimum damage+ (minimum damage x(str/vit (attack/defense)) x differnce in level.

    in this equation, if the monsters defense is high, your difference in attack becomes negligble,
    so even if your str/vit was high with low attack, it would be negligable. also the weaker your str vs vit and attack versus defense are, the more your difference in level will become noticeable.
    there is virtually no difference in this equation with having 20 attack, and having 120 attack, if the monsters defense is 900. your looking at cutting your damage bonus from stats getting cut from 1/10 to 1/100.
    now in that equation, say minimum damage was 20, if your attack went from 20 to 200 you would only see 2 more damge per hit, and in range and you probably wouldnt even be able to tell the difference. however dlevel would be obvious, since your stats are getting negated by the monsters stats, it would just be your minimum damage and the dlevel that would be noticeable.

    The point is testing on a NM hardest thing in the game, when your damage is doing 1/5th what it would be doing versus a normal monster its level, is foolish. It is a NM it has high stats, it may even have direct damage cuts.


    however with this same equation, when normal monsters, and even high defense monsters have say 200-400 defense, you would notice a very large difference from 20 attack or 120 attack.

    this is why UNTIL YOU KNOW A REAL EQUATION YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK OUT OF YOUR BUTTOCKS because there is any number of reasons for a behavior with only 1 test. i could write 1 million equations, and all could be wrong and fail to capture the true behavior of the relationship of stats in a variance
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    Last edited by Physic; 05-10-2011 at 11:10 PM.

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