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    The current battle system mainly calculate everything from Your Rank vs Mob Rank

    I really doubt what was Team Tanaka did in the past 5 years?

    Your thought?
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    I really doubt it work in that way instead. Where is your proof ? And i mean concrete maths, not some "it's clear"
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    No proof needed. Its 1. Obvious and 2. Already proven. Kaeko did the math somewhere.

    Need a field test? Go fight any HNM with a Lv1 weapon then switch to a Lv45+ weapon. Same damage.
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    yeah i notice that many people do bad tests, or ignore tests that go against what they believe to be true. They also make leaps to judgement based on ideas in their heads.
    If you really want to get into the mathematics of damage calculation, and why you think its bad, you need an actual formula to work with. You need to know what the variables are, and what it means.

    Im not even saying that everything is perfect, but really, how are you going to discuss something with only half assed information. Better you should say, reveal the damage formula SE so we can see if it makes any sense, then talk about facets of a damage formula that you only have anecdotal proof even works as you assume it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    I really doubt it work in that way instead. Where is your proof ? And i mean concrete maths, not some "it's clear"
    He's not a person to ask proof from, you won't get it. The only thing that's obvious is stats are unbalanced which logically mean, rank vs rank difference will be greater than it should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurokikaze View Post
    No proof needed. Its 1. Obvious and 2. Already proven. Kaeko did the math somewhere.

    Need a field test? Go fight any HNM with a Lv1 weapon then switch to a Lv45+ weapon. Same damage.
    that isnt a field test, NMs often have different properties, who knows what the situation is there. I have however seen test runs on actual monsters where there is a noticeable difference in damage with attack and strength. Being that i have seen this, at worst the equation is more complex than you assume it to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurokikaze View Post
    No proof needed. Its 1. Obvious and 2. Already proven. Kaeko did the math somewhere.

    Need a field test? Go fight any HNM with a Lv1 weapon then switch to a Lv45+ weapon. Same damage.
    That's exaclty the response i DON'T want. Math or gtfo
    He's not a person to ask proof from, you won't get it. The only thing that's obvious is stats are unbalanced which logically mean, rank vs rank difference will be greater than it should be.
    It's not a mystery stats are broken, so obliusly the rank difference it's the major source of damage. but still, if she say that as it's setten on stone, i want a proper formula
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    Last edited by yukikaze_yanagi; 05-10-2011 at 10:18 PM.

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    Total "Yes, it is"! During alpha-beta period was some differents, i think they switch off everything cz "balance".
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    It seems like the Tanaka was so rushed they put in a place-holder system (they put in as lot of them) the easiest thing at the time was to come up with a rank vs rank system.

    Hopefully after the battle system fix the team will have removed this and added a proper stat system.

    I have no proof this is the case, so don't ask for any
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    OK, un-assign all your attributes to default, using weathered weapon, naked, r50 and try to hit an r1 marmot. you'll see what happen
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