Stunbot is NOT fun

[Fornix]

You're not the first to say this, but I've yet to see anyone prove it. If you have a link to a video that shows yourself or some other PLD tanking HM Ifrit and interrupting him, pleas add it as I'm sure everyone would like to see it.

I don't doubt your claim, but the "stun bot" mechanic has been so prevalent since launch that I feel the only way to banish it from the current meta is to provide hard evidence disproving its necessity.

I don't have a video to back it up, however I've done exactly that during the last 50% of Ifrit HM at several occasions after a warrior tank would die during the AoE phase and not have a provoke to pull the boss back off me. It's truly not too difficult to pull off actually. The trick is really just having the rest of the group paying attention to their treat meters. It will not work if they just blindly keep spamming their threat up, as you're going to need to stop doing the tanking rotation prior to the eruption moments just to be sure you're not on GCD.

Doing so from the start most certainly shouldn't be impossible either, as you can normally build up initial aggro till the point of the first knockback he does. After that though the DPS needs to start checking their threat meters.

The entire needing to stop rotation to me is also the reason why I dislike the current way stunning works. It's a skill which should be taken off the GCD. Especially on one-time fights or first-time fights where you're unfamiliar with the timing, due to the GCD you simply can't do anything else in between without risking the entire group to die.

[Prince_Myshkin]

Well, if you guys want to have Paladins that screw up and wipe the whole group, it's your prerogative. This is just Ifrit (and Hydra), but I hope SE isn't planning any more of these types of boss fights.

[Bov]

ive MTed this before and been the stunner @ the same time... the eruptions are on a pattern... am i missing something?

[Zillius]

The problem isn't the stunning, it's that Shield Bash is on the GCD. Other MMO's keep it off the GCD for a reason, it's meant to be reactionary. I wouldn't be surprised if SE pulls at least PLD and WAR stuns off the GCD at some point, but really they should have learned this lesson from the last 10 years of MMO's that already figured this out.

[Duelle]

Yeah I know you can do it without, but PUGs demand it, as you said.

I think an one solution would be to take shield bash off global cooldown and give it a 20-30 second cooldown. Or just make bosses immune to it. I'd prefer the later.

Making HM Ifrit immune to the stun would actually help more than changing shield bash. Shield bash and its ilk were the devs' way of foregoing having to invent interrupt mechanics that are par the course in MMORPGs. You don't need interrupt mechanics when everything can be stunnable or vulnerable to silence.

[Nova_Dresden]

The problem isn't the stunning, it's that Shield Bash is on the GCD. Other MMO's keep it off the GCD for a reason, it's meant to be reactionary. I wouldn't be surprised if SE pulls at least PLD and WAR stuns off the GCD at some point, but really they should have learned this lesson from the last 10 years of MMO's that already figured this out.

Completely agree. Anytime I've missed a stun in dungeons it's because I had just hit something and triggered a GCD. I don't understand why Shield Bash and Shield Swipe are even on the GCD to begin with.

[loco12]

i barely got to lvl 50 and i barely heard of stunning a couple of days ago... so what you're saying that now i have more responsibilities?

[Eldaena]

They don't have to be stunned to avoid them. People need to wake up and move if that happens.

[Rainbow_Dash]

Completely agree. Anytime I've missed a stun in dungeons it's because I had just hit something and triggered a GCD. I don't understand why Shield Bash and Shield Swipe are even on the GCD to begin with.

Probably because they want offtanks doing the stunning, but what it ends up being is simply a coordination check. If you keep track of the ability sequence on something like Ifrit hardmode, where the pattern is extremely rigid, one mindful tank can do the work of what is usually left to two.

[AethyrSanc]

You have to hit ONE button that WHOLE fight.... how is that stressful
You will NEVER tank ANYTHING passed HM ifrit with that mentality