Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Kurokikaze]

So much rage in your posts... u mad bro?

Btw, I know this might be hard to accept but... Tanaka's vision ended the minute the game was released. Everything you see on that list is an attempt to fix errors done 1-2 months prior. It's no longer a vision so much as it is a restoration effort.

Secondly, the reason Yoshi-P decided to work on combat was because of the player poll... Remember when we, the players, voted and said that was the most important thing to fix/rehaul? Selective memory is cool.

[Shai]

So much rage in your posts... u mad bro?

Btw, I know this might be hard to accept but... Tanaka's vision ended the minute the game was released. Everything you see on that list is an attempt to fix errors done 1-2 months prior. It's no longer a vision so much as it is a restoration effort.

Secondly, the reason Yoshi-P decided to work on combat was because of the player poll... Remember when we, the players, voted and said that was the most important thing to fix/rehaul? Selective memory is cool.

You mean when an overwhelming 40% voted we wanted more story content? More quests and lore? That they wanted more content added to the game? Battle came in 2nd and I realize developmentally why Battle takes precedence. I've had this same conversation over and over. Page 8 of this thread is like a rehash of 1-3. Read some of my earlier posts.

It's right here: First Producer Letter

Note: Battle is #2. Content is #1. Story content specifically.

[darkstarpoet1]

So much rage in your posts... u mad bro?

Btw, I know this might be hard to accept but... Tanaka's vision ended the minute the game was released. Everything you see on that list is an attempt to fix errors done 1-2 months prior. It's no longer a vision so much as it is a restoration effort.

Secondly, the reason Yoshi-P decided to work on combat was because of the player poll... Remember when we, the players, voted and said that was the most important thing to fix/rehaul? Selective memory is cool.

once again go look at the polls. battle system overhaul was not the thing the users voted for to be done first. he spit on the poll results and did what he wanted. don't try telling me making the game loleasy qualifies as content. yes he added low level nm's and lame side quests.

[Kurokikaze]

once again go look at the polls. battle system overhaul was not the thing the users voted for to be done first. he spit on the poll results and did what he wanted.

Shai corrected me and I am man enough to admit it. Story came first and Battle second... So apparently what you're trying to say is that putting in quests, nms and stuff doesn't count as story-based content? News at 11.

As for why I like Yoshi-P more? Idk let's see...

- Better communication.
- Faster updates. Even if small. You get it when its ready and you don't have to idle around till the next big patch as Tanaka made us do all throughout FFXI and the beginning of FFXIV.
- He understands whats fundamentally wrong with the game and knows what to tackle.
- The minute he stepped in - player poll. Coming way closer to the community than Tanaka ever had in his 9 or so years with XI and XIV.

I could keep going but it doesn't matter... you're so far to the right on this topic that its a waste of time to try to meet at the center (lol who gets it?).

I will say this though... Stop bitching about not hearing from Yoshida or anyone else... No one owes you anything, except Tanaka who owes you a 50-80 bucks spent on this abortion. lol

In response to Shiyo; I'm sorry, I have a very low tolerance for stupidity and you exert a lot of it.

[Shai]

So apparently what you're trying to say is that putting in quests, nms and stuff doesn't count as story-based content? News at 11.

Side-Quests do bring some story to the game. The first wave was pretty weak, but the last few waves have been foreshadowing Grand Companies and had more to do than fetch quests. "Winds of Change" and the others like it in Ul'dah and Gridania are three of my favorite quests so far.

I'm thinking, though, that when people said they wanted more story content, they meant the Main Storyline and Class Quests (which Tanaka said he'd bring 1Q 2011) and not these primarily bland little NPC quests, but that's open to interpretation, right?

The NMs, though, are content but not story content. Also, Tanaka said he'd be adding NMs in the 1st update 2011.

My real question, btw, was to compare Yoshida's list to Tanaka's list and tell me which sounded more exciting. Just FYI, but this is a pretty good post so I'll let it slide.

- Better communication.

True. I like that about Yoshida, too. Though his last Letter with content in it was February 17th. It's May 8th.

- Faster updates. Even if small.

I like this, too, and Yoshida's been good about this. Though his content has included "bigger monsters" and Tanaka's updates have included entirely new SP system (in response to fans) and Searchable Market Wards. So you win some you lose some, I think.

- He understands whats fundamentally wrong with the game and knows what to tackle.

I would need some proof of this, like an update with something Yoshida added to the game that Tanaka didn't have on his list already - because bigger monsters isn't cutting it. The battle system will be the true test of this statement, but we know nothing about the battle system, so seeing will be believing.

- The minute he stepped in - player poll.

Closer than Tanaka ever has, but I can't even begin to describe to you what's wrong with those 2 polls. The questions are loaded, the answers are too vague, you don't even know how your answers are going to be interpreted into game mechanics - but if all you want is to feel heard or closer to the Producer than before, then yes you got that warm feeling from the polls. I did, too. The polls are extremely flawed, though.

I could keep going but it doesn't matter...

Of course it matters. I was elated the day Yoshida took over. I wanted to have a party in the street (if anyone I knew played XIV in this state, I may have!) but 5 months down the line and I'm not so happy with what progress we've made. I am patient. I played XI for 8 years. Tanaka taught me about patience. ^^

I think someone who goes around saying he's going to whip this game into shape, "don't you worry, Shai, I got this one in the bag, rest assured" does owe me some kind of explanation at some point. Especially when half a year later it's not exactly clear what he intended or what he had in mind. I cannot rest assured without some assurance.

If people want to say it's the community's fault if the battle system flops and the game dies, then I think the community should at least know what the battle system is going to be and to give some feedback on it. Do you think that will happen? I don't think so.

Do you feel like you know more about the future of XIV because of Yoshida than you did about the future of XIV (or XI) because of Tanaka? ...because I feel very much in the dark. I feel like it's a grand secret that only the devs know and they "can't wait to tell us!" yet they never do until 2 days before patch release. How is that bringing Yoshida closer to the community? Please, let me know how you feel about it.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Side-Quests do bring some story to the game. The first wave was pretty weak, but the last few waves have been foreshadowing Grand Companies and had more to do than fetch quests. "Winds of Change" and the others like it in Ul'dah and Gridania are three of my favorite quests so far.

I'm thinking, though, that when people said they wanted more story content, they meant the Main Storyline and Class Quests (which Tanaka said he'd bring 1Q 2011) and not these primarily bland little NPC quests, but that's open to interpretation, right?

The NMs, though, are content but not story content. Also, Tanaka said he'd be adding NMs in the 1st update 2011.

My real question, btw, was to compare Yoshida's list to Tanaka's list and tell me which sounded more exciting. Just FYI, but this is a pretty good post so I'll let it slide.

You have to understand that Tanaka wasn't planning on revising the battle system. Until the new battle system comes in we won't see any "major" content added. I'm sure if Yoshida didn't have to change the battle system we would be probably seen that stuff earlier.

[Shai]

You have to understand that Tanaka wasn't planning on revising the battle system. Until the new battle system comes in we won't see any "major" content added. I'm sure if Yoshida didn't have to change the battle system we would be probably seen that stuff earlier.

Well, you have to understand, I never wanted a new battle system. I never voted for it, either. I know people did and that's fine, but if we're speaking simply on what I want, it was never a new battle system. I simply wanted the old battle system to run better, faster, flashier, and more fun. I don't want auto-attack but other than that I have no idea if I'll like the new battle system. That's just me, though.

The battle system needs a lot of improvement, but I would prefer systems already in place simply live up to their potential, rather than get thrown away for systems I know I don't like as much (XI, WoW). Keep in mind, I have no idea what the new system will be so I'm not judging it. I'm just laying down some fair warning. If it is an old battle system that has already worn me out, I probably won't like it. If it's something new, or some kind of improvement over the aforementioned systems (XIV, XI, WoW, whatever) then maybe I will like it. It all remains to be seen.

"Auto-attack" is a bad launching point and selling point in my opinion though. I admittedly don't know how it will work in XIV, I never liked it at all - unless I wanted to get up and make a sandwich while farming "Too Weak" mobs. I like a system that's more interactive and rewards players for being attentive. We'll see what comes, won't we?

Though, I'd love to have a preview before hand. I don't want to ask too much of the devs, though. I know they're busy making things "better" or at least "bigger."

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Well, you have to understand, I never wanted a new battle system. I never voted for it, either. I know people did and that's fine, but if we're speaking simply on what I want, it was never a new battle system. I simply wanted the old battle system to run better, faster, flashier, and more fun. I don't want auto-attack but other than that I have no idea if I'll like the new battle system. That's just me, though.

The battle system needs a lot of improvement, but I would prefer systems already in place simply live up to their potential, rather than get thrown away for systems I know I don't like as much (XI, WoW). Keep in mind, I have no idea what the new system will be so I'm not judging it. I'm just laying down some fair warning. If it is an old battle system that has already worn me out, I probably won't like it. If it's something new, or some kind of improvement over the aforementioned systems (XIV, XI, WoW, whatever) then maybe I will like it. It all remains to be seen.

"Auto-attack" is a bad launching point and selling point in my opinion though. I admittedly don't know how it will work in XIV, I never liked it at all - unless I wanted to get up and make a sandwich while farming "Too Weak" mobs. I like a system that's more interactive and rewards players for being attentive. We'll see what comes, won't we?

Though, I'd love to have a preview before hand. I don't want to ask too much of the devs, though. I know they're busy making things "better" or at least "bigger."

I thought the battle system was fine too, I just thought it needed to be more responsive. But what I want doesn't matter, it's what the majority wants. We're not sure if they're just adding only an auto-attack or not, if they were just doing that then that would suck. But we should hear something soon about the battle system.

[Xmbei]

once again go look at the polls. battle system overhaul was not the thing the users voted for to be done first. he spit on the poll results and did what he wanted. don't try telling me making the game loleasy qualifies as content. yes he added low level nm's and lame side quests.

Haha no this guy is mad though.... and obviously not patient.... the list on the polls and what is to be done is a long list... Some of you are very impatient... He has cutdown the list in his most recent of letters that yes was a few ago... Because they are the closest to be implemented not that he isnt working on the others, he even stated in those letters he will be taking them off and adding them on as they come closer to implementation.... so I think you need to step back take a week/month/half year vacation, cool off comeback and see what has been done and said to be done instead of getting angry because someone disagrees with you... It is not a constructive conversation anymore it's a onesided blind arguement of someone saying "I am right and UGH I HATE EVERYTHING STFU AND GTRO BECAUSE I WON'T LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!" Seriously thats how you sound like right now poet.... I am not trying to troll/flame or anger you... just pointing out that you are being very.... angry with your posts... for no real good reason....

[darkstarpoet1]

Haha no this guy is mad though.... and obviously not patient.... the list on the polls and what is to be done is a long list... Some of you are very impatient... He has cutdown the list in his most recent of letters that yes was a few ago... Because they are the closest to be implemented not that he isnt working on the others, he even stated in those letters he will be taking them off and adding them on as they come closer to implementation.... so I think you need to step back take a week/month/half year vacation, cool off comeback and see what has been done and said to be done instead of getting angry because someone disagrees with you... It is not a constructive conversation anymore it's a onesided blind arguement of someone saying "I am right and UGH I HATE EVERYTHING STFU AND GTRO BECAUSE I WON'T LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!" Seriously thats how you sound like right now poet.... I am not trying to troll/flame or anger you... just pointing out that you are being very.... angry with your posts... for no real good reason....

sorry i come off that way. i am one of the ones that's actually waiting on the changes to form an opinion on the changes that are made. sure the way i see the game going atm i do not like, but that can be changed rather quickly after the updates. the thing that gets me mad is certain people have to attack every post from anyone whether they say they feel the game is bad or if they say they don't like a certain aspect.

i personally play the game everyday and enjoy the time i spend with my ls and real life friends that play the game also. i just have hated the making of the game easy as it has been done lately and fear that trend will continue, but am willing to hold off my final opinion until after the battle update and see if they adjust the mobs for a higher difficulty level. my post was not an aggrivation at people in general that disagree with me, but at the people that have to attack one group because they do not agree repeatedly.

i am very capable of sitting down and having a rational conversation of why i do not like the changes, but no matter what either side of the argument has to say these forums has become a flame fest on both sides. it's getting to the point that certain members have turned this into a flame forums and is no longer about rational conversations and that is the frustrating part. you i am not lumping in this because you are correct i did come across as ticked at the game in general when really i am reasonably happy with the game, but am worried about the future direction it holds. the constant flames from one member to another, when i think most all of us on here want the game to be better, just does get frustrating.