Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Joeking]

People need to learn the definition of trolling. I know what you were replying to. I'm saying, for the time he made XI, that was enough. For XIV, it's not enough. Does that have anything to do with you? If not, why take it personally. It's called having a conversation. I'm adding my thoughts. I'm not attacking you.

Also, to anyone asking about Tanaka's vision (like this needs to be said or done) try reading the thread or clicking on the link I'm about to post.

Tanaka's Vision

Take a look and see if there's anything in there Tanaka promised you that you'd rather have than larger monsters.

The bottom line is (for a lot of people) this new battle system we've waited 6 months for better be something, because if it's another broken promise or ridiculous run around, I'm guessing this game is as good as done. Yoshida has yet to produce a vision. He's yet to tell us what he even intends to do with the battle system, though we were promised that we would hear from Akihiko Matsui in the "near future" and that was over a week ago.

Perhaps he means "near future" relative to when the game will be good and not in the general sense of the term, or it was just lost in translation.

I liked where Tanaka was going with this broken piece of crap of a game more than ... the hints and vague comments about where Yoshida is taking it. Trust me, I'm a rampant Tanaka critic. I think he ran XI into the ground for too long and I think he made some pretty giant mistakes with XIV, but when I read about the game he intended to make I like what I read. When I read the game Yoshida intends to make ... oh wait, I haven't read that yet. 5 months and still waiting.

Tanaka may have had vision, but vision doesn't make shareholders happy profit does Yoshida's must be to make this game profitable or they might as well shut this down.

Square has made this mistake before Vision VS Profit, with the Spirit within which I think caused there fall thus causing the merge, lets hope they don't drag Enix with them this time. If they do who should they merge with this time.

[LoLo]

People need to learn the definition of trolling. I know what you were replying to. I'm saying, for the time he made XI, that was enough. For XIV, it's not enough. Does that have anything to do with you? If not, why take it personally. It's called having a conversation. I'm adding my thoughts. I'm not attacking you.

Also, to anyone asking about Tanaka's vision (like this needs to be said or done) try reading the thread or clicking on the link I'm about to post.

Tanaka's Vision

Take a look and see if there's anything in there Tanaka promised you that you'd rather have than larger monsters.

The bottom line is (for a lot of people) this new battle system we've waited 6 months for better be something, because if it's another broken promise or ridiculous run around, I'm guessing this game is as good as done. Yoshida has yet to produce a vision. He's yet to tell us what he even intends to do with the battle system, though we were promised that we would hear from Akihiko Matsui in the "near future" and that was over a week ago.

Perhaps he means "near future" relative to when the game will be good and not in the general sense of the term, or it was just lost in translation.

I liked where Tanaka was going with this broken piece of crap of a game more than ... the hints and vague comments about where Yoshida is taking it. Trust me, I'm a rampant Tanaka critic. I think he ran XI into the ground for too long and I think he made some pretty giant mistakes with XIV, but when I read about the game he intended to make I like what I read. When I read the game Yoshida intends to make ... oh wait, I haven't read that yet. 5 months and still waiting.

Yeah, but it wasn't a open conversation. It was me replying to one post informing said poster that Tanaka has played more than just FFXI and FFXIV. You are now going on your own personal rant. Maybe find a comment more related to your agenda. None of what you said even should be a springboard to me saying Tanaka has played Everquest. It will be expected that you will reply with more rants.

[Shai]

Tanaka may have had vision, but vision doesn't make shareholders happy profit does Yoshida's must be to make this game profitable or they might as well shut this down.

Square has made this mistake before Vision VS Profit, with the Spirit within which I think caused there fall thus causing the merge, lets hope they don't drag Enix with them this time. If they do who should they merge with this time.

You say that (and that's easy to say) but give me evidence of Yoshida making the game profitable.

Compare and contrast Yoshida's last list to the one I provided. Which one sounds better to you?

Tanaka, Dec 2010 vs Yoshida, Feb 2011

Notice I had to go back to February just to find Yoshida's because it was 5 Letters ago (3 mo ago).
Notice everything in Tanaka's letter would have been done by February (March at the latest) if he'd stayed on.

So all Yoshida's done is work on this battle system, then the battle system better be pretty good - because if it's just XI and/or WoW's battle system slapped together and thrown into XIV, I imagine "shareholders" aren't going to be too happy about that, either.

PS - and by shareholders I mean me.

[Shai]

Yeah, but it wasn't a open conversation. It was me replying to one post informing said poster that Tanaka has played more than just FFXI and FFXIV. You are now going on your own personal rant. Maybe find a comment more related to your agenda. None of what you said even should be a springboard to me saying Tanaka has played Everquest. It will be expected that you will reply with more rants.

Did you miss this segue: "Also, to anyone asking about Tanaka's vision"

I'm not ranting. I'm not even talking to you. You corrected someone. Good for you.
Consider my discussion with you over. Feel free to try and antagonize me further.

[Xmbei]

You say that (and that's easy to say) but give me evidence of Yoshida making the game profitable.

Compare and contrast Yoshida's last list to the one I provided. Which one sounds better to you?

Tanaka, Dec 2010 vs Yoshida, Feb 2011

Notice I had to go back to February just to find Yoshida's because it was 5 Letters ago (3 mo ago).
Notice everything in Tanaka's letter would have been done by February (March at the latest) if he'd stayed on.

So all Yoshida's done is work on this battle system, then the battle system better be pretty good - because if it's just XI and/or WoW's battle system slapped together and thrown into XIV, I imagine "shareholders" aren't going to be too happy about that, either.

PS - and by shareholders I mean me.

Buhahahaha someone must forget about what Tanaka really did... ALL THE TIME IN FFXI! Oh look at all this stuff I am promising, date passes, we don't see product, 6 years later, we still don't see product... man Tanaka what a great vision of lieing to your users.... and then He doesn't even mention those promises ever again hoping we forget about it... and we don't and he doesn't come through for us...

[LoLo]

Did you miss this segue: "Also, to anyone asking about Tanaka's vision"

I'm not ranting. I'm not even talking to you. You corrected someone. Good for you.
Consider my discussion with you over. Feel free to try and antagonize me further.

lol then why quote me? You are weird. Like a screw it loose. Ah, well. XD

Consider my discussion with you over

sweet ^^

[Kurokikaze]

So much rage in your posts... u mad bro?

Btw, I know this might be hard to accept but... Tanaka's vision ended the minute the game was released. Everything you see on that list is an attempt to fix errors done 1-2 months prior. It's no longer a vision so much as it is a restoration effort.

Secondly, the reason Yoshi-P decided to work on combat was because of the player poll... Remember when we, the players, voted and said that was the most important thing to fix/rehaul? Selective memory is cool.

[Shai]

Buhahahaha someone must forget about what Tanaka really did... ALL THE TIME IN FFXI! Oh look at all this stuff I am promising, date passes, we don't see product, 6 years later, we still don't see product... man Tanaka what a great vision of lieing to your users.... and then He doesn't even mention those promises ever again hoping we forget about it... and we don't and he doesn't come through for us...

Sure, but look at what I linked and look at the "December" portion. Were any of that lies? I also said "no later than March" which gives him the benefit of having a quarter of a year to get it together rather than 2 months. How many times has Tanaka said "I'll get you something" and then didn't. I can think of 1-2 times in XI explicitly. How many can you think of and name?

Yes, he lied about things he could have done but didn't want to (for some reason). I'm not saying he didn't mess up, or that he didn't break promises. He did. But everything on that list on the December side was in this game before Yoshida took the reigns... and everything after it (unless he was setting up Yoshida to look the fool) has nearly been forgotten or pushed off to some unknown date and time, so Yoshida can "fix" systems without telling us how or when he plans to do so.

Tanaka has some serious bad things about him. I'm asking which of the two lists I gave you sounds better. It's not a loaded question. You already know which I think is better. Tell me honestly, which YOU Yoshida fans think looks better.

[Shai]

So much rage in your posts... u mad bro?

Btw, I know this might be hard to accept but... Tanaka's vision ended the minute the game was released. Everything you see on that list is an attempt to fix errors done 1-2 months prior. It's no longer a vision so much as it is a restoration effort.

Secondly, the reason Yoshi-P decided to work on combat was because of the player poll... Remember when we, the players, voted and said that was the most important thing to fix/rehaul? Selective memory is cool.

You mean when an overwhelming 40% voted we wanted more story content? More quests and lore? That they wanted more content added to the game? Battle came in 2nd and I realize developmentally why Battle takes precedence. I've had this same conversation over and over. Page 8 of this thread is like a rehash of 1-3. Read some of my earlier posts.

It's right here: First Producer Letter

Note: Battle is #2. Content is #1. Story content specifically.

[Xmbei]

Yoshida.... all the way, he said he going to implement what Tanaka's projects first along with his own... It's going to take awhile because he is trying to make it optimized as well.... It will take awhile, that is why he, Yoshida has not promised us dates.... Tanaka promised us a complete product at release in all his interviews for a year A YEAR!!!! and what did he have to show for it.... Look at this pretty, laggy, empty, only leve's and a few quests to do, game... HAVE FUN!!! I think he knew he was already getting the axe before any of us did and just stopped caring.