Gil Issues @ 50

[Lucroarna]

I have every class at 50, except for GLD.

I do dungeons @ 50 on all of them. Day 3, I had 800 gil, and went wtfbqq.

So I went and leveled up my botanist, and leveled some CRP and WVR with it.

Now I have 580k, and repair issues are gone completely.

There is no problem with gil acquisition.

The problem is people are incredibly lazy. This game requires you do crafts to have money. It's even part of the lore. I'm sorry if you can't spam 200 dungeons per day. But it's your fault.

[BabyChooChoo]

...because this certainly needed it's own thread. Christ.

[Nayto]

I have every class at 50, except for GLD.

I do dungeons @ 50 on all of them. Day 3, I had 800 gil, and went wtfbqq.

So I went and leveled up my botanist, and leveled some CRP and WVR with it.

Now I have 580k, and repair issues are gone completely.

There is no problem with gil acquisition.

The problem is people are incredibly lazy. This game requires you do crafts to have money. It's even part of the lore. I'm sorry if you can't spam 200 dungeons per day. But it's your fault.

That's not the problem, the problem is that the game was promised to hand out to you everything and it stops handing you money at end-game. There's no gil generation from an exploitable source to inflate the economy.

[Lucroarna]

...because this certainly needed it's own thread. Christ.

Yeah, it does.

Far too many people whining about it, and I don't want to see the game made easy-mode because people refuse to play 7/8 of their character.

[WhiteGarden]

Agreed!!

And to head off all the "Economists" on the forum let me add:

That 580k you earned is 'created' by the people you sell to. All these players doing leves/fates all day creating gil. As a crafter/gatherer, you get little pieces of that by selling your stuff to those people. You've realized you don't have to have gil created coming directly to you.

So yes, the market is an integral part of Gil creation. Gil creation > market > Repairs. It makes perfect sense. People are just upset because they have to do some work to gather up that gil created by so many players - they think it should be handed to them.

[Aicha]

Although I fear I'm trolled here. Playing the AH actually pulls even more Gil out of the economy.

Also currently tons of people bring new Gil into the economy due to quest rewards. Once a majority is 50 more Gil will leave the game than enter it. And even crafting damages the equipment so that adds to the Gil drain too not just fighting.

*sigh* And fates give very little Gil while damaging your gear, so there is no real net gain of Gil.

[Shiyo]

Yeah, it does.

Far too many people whining about it, and I don't want to see the game made easy-mode because people refuse to play 7/8 of their character.

Your sig is literally you.

[SoraKaiser]

All the crybabies are buying gils from the gilsellers and getting banned anyway

[Ifervan]

The point the gill cryiers are on about is very real.

It';s not about individual choices, lazines etc its about a simple fact.

Gil leaving is greater then gil entering which is different than gil gathered by a crafter on the market.

If gil is not entering the game you can have all the pretty things you want as a crafter but with no consumer.

Mind you crafters can generate gil via levemets but it's gonna be a world of crafters and boom boom guys...we need them and to call them lazy is not good.

Without these so called "lazy" people we have nothing to sell nor a game to play. It takes all types.

If this game was meant to be a 100% cooperative then they should have advertised it as such we would have a utopia which would fail in this market.

[Tari-F]

Agreed!!

And to head off all the "Economists" on the forum let me add:

That 580k you earned is 'created' by the people you sell to. All these players doing leves/fates all day creating gil. As a crafter/gatherer, you get little pieces of that by selling your stuff to those people. You've realized you don't have to have gil created coming directly to you.

So yes, the market is an integral part of Gil creation. Gil creation > market > Repairs. It makes perfect sense. People are just upset because they have to do some work to gather up that gil created by so many players - they think it should be handed to them.

Level 50 crafting and gathering can also generate new gil into the game. Not all of it has to be generated by players who buy your goods.

Just want to point that out.



Players who are at the front of the curve in terms of leveling and running dungeons should realize that they are actually not the majority of the playerbase. Whether there are enough players who are interested in crafting and gathering to supply a constant influx of gil is unknown to us, but I suspect there are more players who are slowly leveling a couple of classes than there are players who are only leveling one battle class or only running dungeons and FATEs.

It's not worth talking about whether there's enough gil being introduced to the game at the moment, because not enough players are at a point where the numbers are at all meaningful. If you only look at level 50 players on the grounds that the game constantly provides gil as you level up, you'll ignore a huge section of the playerbase who may or may not be able to provide gil when they hit level 50.

The game is too young to debate something like economy. Not enough time has passed for enough information to be gathered.


edit:

Although I fear I'm trolled here. Playing the AH actually pulls even more Gil out of the economy.

Also currently tons of people bring new Gil into the economy due to quest rewards. Once a majority is 50 more Gil will leave the game than enter it. And even crafting damages the equipment so that adds to the Gil drain too not just fighting.

*sigh* And fates give very little Gil while damaging your gear, so there is no real net gain of Gil.

Level 50 gathering earns you gil faster than you damage your gear. I can't comment on crafting, as I've no level 50 crafting class. Do you happen to have one?