The "Greed" Mentality

[Wolfie]

Why should gear for leveling an alt or second class be more important than gaining seals or gil for your main?

Just depends on what your end game is which is why it goes to a greed vote

Not to mention, for people that have multiple or all 50's, how do you determine whether their "need for off class" is any different for "greed for vendor"? What would stop someone from rolling for off class on an item, then turning that item in for seals?

The need/greed/pass system is fine the way it is. OP just got frustrated that he kept losing greed rolls that he thinks he deserves more than others.

[Jahaudant]

Why should gear for leveling an alt or second class be more important than gaining seals or gil for your main?

Just depends on what your end game is which is why it goes to a greed vote

Some of these drops are rare, and incredibly good. If you condone looting this stuff for 100 seals when the same can be had in a single FATE I honestly don't know what to say.

[Wolfie]

Some of these drops are rare, and incredibly good. If you condone looting this stuff for 100 seals when the same can be had in a single FATE I honestly don't know what to say.

You do not deserve that item any more than someone else. What someone does with an item after winning a non-main-class roll is none of your business. You really need to understand this.

[Fraxture]

Not everyone is one-class-onry.

"Need" in its current form is completely useless. Many people are pushed in to specific roles to fulfil party requirements - just because someone can't press the need button, doesn't mean that person doesn't need the item.

So what you just stated, is that your need(greed) is more important than another's?
Um, you need to go smack your mother for birthing you.
If it is for your active class, you will get NEED as an option. If you already have the item, you can only PASS.
If no one in the group NEEDs the item, then GREED is for everyone. Because the only thing you are really saying is that you have the RIGHT to select GREED, and evryone else should choose PASS.

So what you really want to say is, you are extremely GREEDy and everyone else is making it hard for you to have it all by GREEDing as well.

[Jahaudant]

Not to mention, for people that have multiple or all 50's, how do you determine whether their "need for off class" is any different for "greed for vendor"? What would stop someone from rolling for off class on an item, then turning that item in for seals?

Fantastic point, one I did not consider, and the only worthwhile thing I've seen you post here.

Obviously no change to the loot system can address this. The problem actually lies in the fact that rare drops are tradable for minuscule amounts of company seals in the first place.

[Erana]

Imagine someone rolling for much desired XI drops like RDM hat because they need gil, and it vendors for 20k.

If was doing a dungeon to get items for a specific class, I'd be playing that class.

[Wolfie]

Fantastic point, one I did not consider, and the only worthwhile thing I've seen you post here.

Obviously no change to the loot system can address this. The problem actually lies in the fact that rare drops are tradable for minuscule amounts of company seals in the first place.

Ok, so say you can turn in one of these rare drops for 1k seals. Or 10k. Are you going to be any less frustrated? Somehow I doubt it.

Even if they increased seals for turn ins it would be temporary. The items would will rapidly become "worthless" for trade ins, because everyone would be flooded with company seals, rendering rolls on the items pointless.

The solution here is not your suggestion to fix the roll system, or for the community to "fix their mentality". You need to fix your own mentality and stop throwing a tantrum because you didn't win a roll on an item for the class you refused to play with.

[Sanne]

I started greeding everything when I noticed so much loot was thrown away because everyone passed it.
That is a waste. And I someday want to play all classes. So I felt bad for everything that was thrown away that I could have used.

If someone really wants an item they can say it in group and I won't greed. I have no problem with that at all, but when nobody says anything, I will just greed.

And sometimes I accidentally Need something I don't need, usually it is because party already moving on, and I have no time to see if I really need it. I do feel bad about it, but well it is already too late, usually I ask at the next drop, (even if I do need it) if anyone else needs it.

Hell... even if I need everything that drops, if other people really want it they may have it. If they let me know.
Or I make an agreement with them about taking turns.

Most people are pretty nice if you talk about it in a polite way.

[Jahaudant]

If was doing a dungeon to get items for a specific class, I'd be playing that class.

With harder content you may find yourself avoiding duty finder and putting together a group yourself by shouting. In this situation the players you recruit may or may not have multiple classes, and some people may have to go specific classes in order to have the right set up to clear that content.

These problems are obviously negated if you do everything with an FC, or only trusted friends but that won't always be the case.

[ReiszRie]

This has got to be one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read...

Anyone has the rights to 'Greed' roll an EQ regardless of how rare or awesome it is, and what they do with it isn't for anyone to judge for they won the 'Greed' roll fair and square.

If you want gear for your main, play on your main where you can roll 'Need'

Gearing has always been a tedious process, what the OP is suggesting is to make it possible to gear all sub classes simultaneously.

sheesh...