The "Greed" Mentality

[BubblyBoar]

If you want to need it, run it on that class. If your class cant use it yet, or cant run it yet, tough luck. You don't get priority over another person because of what you MIGHT do in the future. not to mention you have time to run that dungeon again on your other class (the one that needs it) while they may not. it doesn't matter if they or going to turn it into seals or hang it up on their wall. if you don't NEED it, which you don't cause you can't, then it's rightfully everyone's game. You're the one that's selfish.

[Jahaudant]

Apparently I'm in the minority.

I would never greed an item to vendor for next to nothing when others may actually use it. I would rather see it hit floor.

It would help if we could see who has needed, greeded and passed before the item is actually given out.

[ReiszRie]

Apparently I'm in the minority.

I would never greed an item to vendor for next to nothing when others may actually use it. I would rather see it hit floor.

I'd sooner discard said item than let someone who thinks that their purpose for said item on 'Greed' roll is more righteous and justifiable than others, to get it.

[Wolfie]

You went wrong when you tried to enforce your [really dumb] item morality on everyone else.

[Frothylager]

Some of these drops are rare, and incredibly good. If you condone looting this stuff for 100 seals when the same can be had in a single FATE I honestly don't know what to say.

I'm sure in these rare cases if you asked the player nicely they would either give it to you or at least sell it to you at a reasonable price. Either way neither of you "need" the item and it should be up to the winner to choose what they want to do with it.

Either way it shouldn't be "i play all the classes so i should get all the loot"

[Zeille]

I need on gear I can use and will greed on everything else. If I get lucky and get a few drops, I'll start passing so someone else can win some loot. Simple as that.

If no one calls out beforehand that they are looking for specific gear, then it's a free for all. Even if the gear is only going to be turned in for seals, if you didn't speak up before the run, tough cookies.

[Shyle]

The only issue I see is when as a Warrior, I see a plate/scale (with more offense stats like More str/crit/accy) item that no one needs drop, I can't roll on it for a solo set (I just ask the group at that point)

But in general, it's a greed option because it's for "greed", to sell, convert, use for alts, etc.. If you see a piece that you can wear but can't roll on as your main class you're currently playing, just ask, most people I've come across are ok with it.

[BrainWoodstock]

You understand what they greed button does? I dont think so, otherwhise such a thread would never exist.

Need = i can roll on an item that my class can ware. that means a Whitemage can roll need on Healeritems.
Greed = i can roll on every item but only if the whole group presses greed i have a chance of winning.
Pass= im not interrested or more likely if have that item allready in my pocket.

If you are on Gladiator and want a pala item you need to press greed, when im on whitemage and want a pala item, i also need to press greed.
If you are on Gladiator and want a Whitemage item you need to press greed, when im on whitemage and want a whitemage item, i can press need.

Its a system that is fair.

[Retrograde]

Perhaps we should give OP the benefit of the doubt without concluding what he might be doing?

There are three settings, "need," "greed," "pass." Since everyone has only one character in this game, and all the alternative classes are in play, the problem is not "need" or "greed" but the "pass" setting. Its use is not clear. Unfortunately, it can't just get removed because it often has to be used to adjust for simple mechanics like making sure a specific player gets a specific item. Like if you just won an item, and you wanted that second caster to get the next one.

The usual response to this is "just run with your friends or FC" to avoid it. Probably the correct answer here too when duty finder doesn't keep a loot tracker, and everyone else is going to roll "greed." It's funny how "greed" is the clearest and safest alternative in this game.

People have a lot of faith in the PRNG god.

[AngryNixon]

I fail to understand this thread. The words "expectations" and "duty finder" are incompatible. It's duty finder. It groups you with random strangers. You should not expect anything from them. In fact from what I've witnessed in several DF groups, you should not even hope that they will use words or any other form of communication, tolerate people who have never run that particular dungeon before, or stay after 1 failure. Really you're just showing up and hoping everyone knows the choreography ahead of time because if you don't, twelve help you. Now if you start from the point where you can't even expect a "hello", it boggles the mind to see how you progress to any kind of discussion about loot distribution.

If you have a certain set of expectations surrounding loot, run with people you know (as a good number have said in this thread). This will ensure you are all on the same page, no matter what your take on need/greed is (which is really not important frankly as long as those in the party agree on it).