The "Greed" Mentality

[Frothylager]

Conj - 40 runs a dungeon with a summoner -50
Awesome hat drops, conj needs, Summoner also needs even though his hat is 10x better - Summoner wins, says he has a lowbie arcanist that could use it and the conj gearing up is not his responsibility

I'm pretty sure this is what the OP is talking about, greed menatility........shocked so many of you can't see this

Uh, because, that's not even close to what he said?

[Tiraelina]

Conj - 40 runs a dungeon with a summoner -50
Awesome hat drops, conj needs, Summoner also needs even though his hat is 10x better - Summoner wins, says he has a lowbie arcanist that could use it and the conj gearing up is not his responsibility

I'm pretty sure this is what the OP is talking about, greed menatility........shocked so many of you can't see this

No, he's whining because he can't be defaulted on gear for a class he isn't because he doesn't want to play it in a dungeon. It's damn well obvious he just wants faster queue times in duty finder and the loot or this wouldn't be a problem.

Not everyone is one-class-onry.

"Need" in its current form is completely useless. Many people are pushed in to specific roles to fulfil party requirements - just because someone can't press the need button, doesn't mean that person doesn't need the item.

[Sanne]

I started greeding everything when I noticed so much loot was thrown away because everyone passed it.
That is a waste. And I someday want to play all classes. So I felt bad for everything that was thrown away that I could have used.

If someone really wants an item they can say it in group and I won't greed. I have no problem with that at all, but when nobody says anything, I will just greed.

And sometimes I accidentally Need something I don't need, usually it is because party already moving on, and I have no time to see if I really need it. I do feel bad about it, but well it is already too late, usually I ask at the next drop, (even if I do need it) if anyone else needs it.

Hell... even if I need everything that drops, if other people really want it they may have it. If they let me know.
Or I make an agreement with them about taking turns.

Most people are pretty nice if you talk about it in a polite way.

[Pronsolo]

Conj - 40 runs a dungeon with a summoner -50
Awesome hat drops, conj needs, Summoner also needs even though his hat is 10x better - Summoner wins, says he has a lowbie arcanist that could use it and the conj gearing up is not his responsibility

I'm pretty sure this is what the OP is talking about, greed menatility........shocked so many of you can't see this

I understand what you are saying but OP is talking about greed rolls. Even the post is title "The Greed Mentality". Greed rolls are just that, Greed. You dont need it but you want it, and you have the same chance as anyone else rolling greed. If the RNG doesnt fall your way its not the other players fault.

[Jahaudant]

I understand what you are saying but OP is talking about greed rolls. Even the post is title "The Greed Mentality". Greed rolls are just that, Greed. You dont need it but you want it, and you have the same chance as anyone else rolling greed. If the RNG doesnt fall your way its not the other players fault.

It is effectively the same thing.

People rolling items "just because" works in MMO's where you are restricted to your single chosen class. Not so much in FFXIV.

I was hoping there would be a way to discourage this, or prevent it from happening completely without going back to Ye Old FFA /random with verbal looting agreements. But that seems impossible.

The "Greed" Mentality reflects the decision people make to roll on items to use as a door mat over the person next to him that would actually benefit from it.

[Kobolt]

Healer gear drops...
Huge upgrade for me...
Scumbag Tank rolls need on my healer gear and wins...
Says "I'm gonna heal with this."
level 2 Conjury...

this is why Need rolls are limited to the class you register on the duty system...

Healer gear drops
I don't NEED it so i greed it.
tank wins greed roll
I say "Grats bro"

I took a gamble and lost, oh well.

[Wilksha]

Reading this post is now making me want to be greedier. I'm 50 all classes, and ARC and it's 2 jobs are my favorite jobs/class currently so I greed/need for those and rarely greed for DoW class gear. I pass a great number of gear I could make use of for either seals or actual equipping. The greed button says it all, be greedy if you want. If you want gear for a class you're not running a dungeon as don't do a Duty Finder Pick Up Group, go in with a group of friends and point out gear you would like or need for your class(es) you ant gear for. You're the greedy one here just as much as the rest of us. Please get over it.

For some people mentioning stuff like "PLD rolling Need on healer gear." This isn't posible if you're currently on PLD. The need button is unclickable if you cannot equip the gear NOW. Please learn how the need greed system works. Also higher lvl dungeons drop Untradeable gear, so your I'm gonna give this gear to a friend point is moot.

[Huxer]

This thread is like the META GREED button right? You will try now to use social engineering to get what you want when the system faild to give you what you wanted the first time?

[Jahaudant]

Please find and quote where I asked for precedence over anyone rolling for their own off class.

A 3-tiered loot system might work, but I am by no means suggesting I have the answer.

Need - Available for loot wearable by your current class.
Greed 1 - Available for loot wearable by your other classes at the required level.
Greed 2 - Available to everyone, for all loot.

The looting behaviour of people in XIV would get you downright ostracised in XI.

[Wolfie]

Please find and quote where I asked for precedence over anyone rolling for their own off class.

Right here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1223333

Nobody's pushing you into any role. You can play whatever class you want. You might be blind to it, but your posts in this topic basically indicate that you're running dungeons as a tank and you think your greed rolls are more deserving than someone else's greed roll.