Can't we just make the battle system like FFXI's?

[Demacia]

All that aside, I'd just like to see timing and position becoming more prominent in XIV the way it is in XI. I can play COR in FFXI and I'm constantly doing something. Pulling mobs, sleeping links, dispeling mob buffs, buffing specific party roles and relying on positioning to not give the wrong buffs, dealing damage, and healing if I /WHM. I could potentially deal a ton of damage right off the bat but you wait for proper timing to do so in order to not pull hate from the tank right away or set up a skillchain/MB to finish the mob off. If I'm not on top of my shit then my party becomes MUCH less efficient but I never felt that way in XIV except for when I was tanking and that's easy as hell. They hyped up all that "position and strategy" BS but I see it all the time in FFXI and never in FFXIV. I mean, what happened to SATA? Positioning vs wyrms to avoid breath/spike flail? I just want my strategy and fast paced busy jobs like COR.

[Physic]

most of the positioning is defense/melee oreinted, you have attacks that can do things from certain positions, and skills that work from certain positions,
monsters have a variety of directional/aoe attacks which can be avoided if you know when to move.
problem is the crap they make us fight rarely uses these mechanics, and is so weak people kill it instantly, or straight tank the abilities that are supposed to be deadly.

far as mages, i think they need an arcanist class, that was supposed to have more aoe around caster skills, and they should probably give some one a skill

honestly this game has a lot of really cool skills, and monsters skills/planning that never come into play because no one does anything but behest and fight monsters that are easy, one at a time

[BlaiseLallaise]

Final Fantasy XIV Online Reviews

Other reviews of Final Fantasy XIV Online IGN ** 5.5 / 10 Oct 11, 2010
Eurogamer ** 5 / 10 Dec 23, 2010
1UP ** D+ Oct 18, 2010
PALGN ** 6 / 10 Dec 7, 2010
Gaming Nexus ** D+ Dec 6, 2010
D+PAD Magazine ** 3 / 5 Nov 19, 2010
The Gamers Temple ** 54 / 100 Nov 19, 2010
Computer & Video Games UK ** 6.2 / 10 Nov 11, 2010
NZGamer ** 4 / 10 Nov 8, 2010
Games Xtreme ** 5 / 10 Nov 5, 2010
play.tm ** 49 / 100 Oct 12, 2010
Game Revolution ** D Oct 12, 2010
GameSpy ** 2 / 5 Oct 11, 2010
Gametrailers ** 4.2 / 10 Oct 10, 2010
Cheat Code Central ** 4.2 / 5 Oct 4, 2010
PC Gamer ** 30 / 100 Oct 18, 2010
PC Gamer UK ** 30 / 100 Dec 25, 2010
PC Power Play ** 5 / 10 Dec 25, 2010
gamesTM 4 / 10 Dec 25, 2010


VS


Final Fantasy XI Reviews

Other reviews of Final Fantasy XI IGN ** 8 / 10 Dec 1, 2003
Game Chronicles ** 7.2 / 10 Oct 21, 2005
TechTV ** 4 / 5 Jan 14, 2004
GameZone ** 9 / 10 Dec 14, 2003
Gaming Age ** A Dec 2, 2003
RealGamer ** 7.2 / 10 Jan 1, 2008
VGPub ** 8.6 / 10 May 1, 2005
CPUGamer ** 6.9 / 10 Apr 1, 2005
Fragland ** 74 / 100 Dec 28, 2004
Silicon Fusion ** 7 / 10 Nov 19, 2004
NZGamer ** 8 / 10 Nov 1, 2004
Gamecell ** 8 / 10 Oct 25, 2004
Boomtown ** 8 / 10 Oct 18, 2004
Mygamer ** 8.8 / 10 Sep 14, 2004
GamersMark ** 9 / 10 May 26, 2004
GamersHell ** 8 / 10 May 25, 2004
PopCultureShock ** A Apr 22, 2004
Just RPG ** 85 / 100 Feb 26, 2004
Game Vortex ** 9 / 10 Feb 5, 2004
Games Are Fun ** 8 / 10 Feb 2, 2004
GamePlasma ** 7 / 10 Jan 23, 2004
Gaming Nexus ** 8.4 / 10 Dec 30, 2003
Games First! ** 3 / 5 Dec 20, 2003
Game Over Online ** 84 / 100 Dec 9, 2003
ActionTrip ** 85 / 100 Dec 4, 2003
Globe Technology ** 3 / 5 Dec 4, 2003
RPGamer ** 6 / 10 Nov 30, 2003
Gaming Horizon ** 9 / 10 Nov 25, 2003
AllRPG ** 9 / 10 Nov 25, 2003
RPGFan ** 92 / 100 Nov 19, 2003
GameSpy ** 4 / 5 Nov 13, 2003
VG-Force ** 9.8 / 10 Nov 9, 2003
NTSC uk 10 / 10 Nov 3, 2003
Computer Gaming World ** 4 / 5 Feb 1, 2004
PC Gamer ** 90 / 100 Feb 1, 2004
Game Informer ** 8 / 10 Jan 1, 2004
GMR Magazine ** 8 / 10 Dec 1, 2003
Play Magazine ** A Dec 1, 2003
PC Gamer UK ** 89 / 100 Feb 1, 2005
Computer Games Mag ** 4 / 5 Feb 1, 2004
PC Zone UK 81 / 100 Dec 1, 2004
Edge Magazine UK 8 / 10 Dec 1, 2004
Games Master UK 90 / 100 Dec 1, 2004
PC Format UK 84 / 100 Feb 1, 2004
GameNow B+ Dec 1, 2003


4.0 VS 8.2

Shall I be the one to point out that these reviews for FFXIV are all 3 or less months after release, while those for FFXI range anywhere from 1 to 6 years after release? Yes, I think I will.

[DeadRiser]

Shall I be the one to point out that these reviews for FFXIV are all 3 or less months after release, while those for FFXI range anywhere from 1 to 6 years after release? Yes, I think I will.

I'm not defending him, but you realize there is ONE from 2008 and FOUR from 2005? Most are from 2003 and early 2004...

[BlaiseLallaise]

I'm not defending him, but you realize there is ONE from 2008 and FOUR from 2005? Most are from 2003 and early 2004...

Maybe so, but that's still more than a year from it's original release date.

[Demacia]

Maybe so, but that's still more than a year from it's original release date.

One year. In one year, FFXI was in better shape than an MMO released 8 years later. Not glorifying XI, just stating that XIV is in awful shape.

[BlaiseLallaise]

One year. In one year, FFXI was in better shape than an MMO released 8 years later. Not glorifying XI, just stating that XIV is in awful shape.

It's amazing how you completely missed the point. All I'm saying is that it isn't fair to compare FFXIV reviews from only 3 months past release to FFXI reviews about 18 months after it's release. Give FFXIV 18 months, then you're free to compare reviews.

[Demacia]

It's amazing how you completely missed the point. All I'm saying is that it isn't fair to compare FFXIV reviews from only 3 months past release to FFXI reviews about 18 months after it's release. Give FFXIV 18 months, then you're free to compare reviews.

Oh I didn't miss your point big guy, I'm simply saying that times have changed and standards are very different now. Then again the subject of "SE didn't apply anything they learned from making XI to XIV" has been stressed enough. I wonder if after this game has been out for a year, I'll still be told "Just wait, YOU'LL SEE. In another 6 months this game will be ready for reviews FOR REAL".

[BlaiseLallaise]

Oh I didn't miss your point big guy, I'm simply saying that times have changed and standards are very different now. Then again the subject of "SE didn't apply anything they learned from making XI to XIV" has been stressed enough. I wonder if after this game has been out for a year, I'll still be told "Just wait, YOU'LL SEE. In another 6 months this game will be ready for reviews FOR REAL".

So if I understand you correctly, you think I am wrong to claim that the time between release and review between the two games can't be compared fairly, because you believe that the extra knowledge they gained from the years of FFXI development should have applied to FFXIV, which should have resulted in a much better game at release, thus those 3rd month reviews are completely comparable to the 18th month reviews of FFXI. Does that about sum it up?

[Demacia]

So if I understand you correctly, you think I am wrong to claim that the time between release and review between the two games can't be compared fairly, because you believe that the extra knowledge they gained from the years of FFXI development should have applied to FFXIV, which should have resulted in a much better game at release, thus those 3rd month reviews are completely comparable to the 18th month reviews of FFXI. Does that about sum it up?

Yes, exactly. Even now, if reviewed 7 months after release, FFXIV would not compare to XI 12 months after release. It just shouldn't be that way. Either way, we're arguing over nothing. Reviews don't really matter to me, just the uncertain future of this game.