Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

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Compilation of every thread poster I could find
voicing concerns/frustrations etc with 6.1 SAM changes.
Dev's asked for feedback? we gave it


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Threads before 6.1 Kaiten removal
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04-01-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-remove-Kaiten

I really like the feel of using this ability, even if there isn't much of a decision to be made about when to use it. There are other targets for ability bloat, please just find some other way.

04-01-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...24-6.1-Samurai

It's not just simplification at this point, we're losing job identity. Why even bother having separate jobs?
By 7.0 the only job with any identity remaining is going to be Black Mage, we're already seeing it now. We know at least 1 dev plays Black Mage. Can't say the same for most other jobs. Please tell us this is an April Fool's joke.

04-02-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ISSATSU-KAITEN

Please for the love of all that is holy. Who thought of this? Kaiten is a really fun, rewarding oGCD to use. It is the only separator from mindless gauge dump on Hissatsu: Shinten.

04-02-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-remove-Kaiten

I don't normally make posts of the forum but because this is really personal I can't help but get involved somehow. I'm a long time fan of samurai, if it weren't for my interest in sage and a few other jobs it would certainly be my main job. However, if kaiten gets removed I don't think I will ever return to the job. It won't be satisfying anymore.

04-02-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...oval-of-Kaiten.

Hello, I set up my account here simply because I wanted to add my voice expressing dissatisfaction with the upcoming removal of Kaiten.

04-03-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...lete-Kenki-lol

With Kaiten's removal, kenki offers nothing but a resource you dump on Shinten (there is the AOE and Hissatu abilities but they don't change anything).

04-03-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Kaiten-removal

Kaiten was one of the skills that made me fall in love with SAM as soon as I tried it, alongside Midare Setsugekka that made me like it from level 50. / Just... please, don't remove this.

04-04-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...oat-on-Samurai

All in all, I am strictly examining whether or not Kaiten contributes to action bloat and thus needs to be removed, and my conclusion is that it does not, nor will its removal reasonably alleviate the non-existant notion of action bloat on Samurai.

04-06-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...43-Keep-Kaiten

I'm a samurai main - I've played all the jobs, and samurai is my favorite - by far - and not for the aesthetic, but for the gameplay. I've never even visited the forums previously, but this change is so egregious that I felt compelled to speak out..

04-06-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...issatsu-KAITEN

There are already a plethora of posts like mine, but I figured, if I don't voice my opinion in any way, I don't have a right to complain afterwards.
As the title already says, I don't think that removing Hissatsu: Kaiten is a good idea - for many reasons.

04-06-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-remove-Kaiten

Kaiten is a big part of what makes the kenki interesting. Outside of burst, (which has its kenki supplied by Ikishoten), we now only have one move that uses kenki, so there is almost no strategy. Also, the kaiten animation is very satisfying to use before big hits. Keep the crit changes, but revert the kaiten removal.

04-06-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Kaiten-debate

I made an account specifically to throw in my support for keeping Kaiten on SAM. / Simplifying jobs does NOT make them more interesting, it makes them boring. Please keep Kaiten in the game.

04-06-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Samurai-Change

So uh... I JUST mastered Samurai and just learned when to apply Hissatsu Kaiten. The fact it's getting removed in 6.1 just 'coz of button bloats? This cat girl is unhappy. Devs... what are you guys doing? D: Hissatsu Kaiten is NOT that hard to apply mid battle! Please don't remove it. It's satisfying to use. .

04-06-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...issatsu-Kaiten

I literally made a Forum account for the first time in all my 6 years of playing just to add to the many pleading requests for this. Please.
Kaiten is such a fun and core part of SAM gameplay, and it has a lovely wind-up animation that syncs perfectly with Iaijutsu. Please don't ruin SAM.

04-07-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/.....with-Love%29

In short, I loved how impactful and how Kaiten added complexity to my abilities. To augment what I already have with the fancy blade work with that *whirr whirr whirr* just felt so good. Then.......the 6.1 Live letter happen. I am gonna be real....I hate shinten.

04-07-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Samurai-Alone

...once we remove Kaiten, kenki turns purely into a all you can Shinten buffet.
Tl;dr Kaiten is the only complexity current SAM has, and will have poor synergy with jobs that give crit rate up if it has guaranteed crits.

04-08-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...issatsu-Kaiten

"Oh but devs like megathreads more." You know what's cooler then a megathread? Not ruining jobs. Revert it. If the devs follow through on removing Kaiten, the only thing it proves to us, is that the player experience doesn't matter, and that they not only don't care about player feedback, but that their job design team is incredibly out of touch.

04-08-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...emoving-Kaiten

To whom it may concern, please, I implore you, please, do not remove Kaiten. There are so many other ways to fix this problem over removing Kaiten. Please, I now beg of you, don't remove Kaiten.

04-10-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...issatsu-Kaiten

I just want to show my support to the Samurai players out there and share my voice as i do not wish to see Hissatsu: Kaiten be removed for a reason that feels either quite unnessecary or like it is simply removed from a button bloat problem that was caused by the new skills added in the Endwalker Expansion.

04-10-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...iten-Who-Asked

Literally who? Who asked for this in either the NA or JP communities? Name a single person, a single basis for justifying the removal of such an iconic ability.

04-11-2022 - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...rai-AoE-Damage

We'll see tomorrow once everything goes live, but it appears the devs forgot to give Tenka Goken and Kaeshi: Goken the auto-crits they should get? Also, not sure why they made the effort to nerf the potency on Kaeshi: Goken, but not give it the auto-crit. I mean, that's why Midare, Ogi, and their Kaeshi got potency nerfs. But Kaeshi: Goken got nerfed without a corresponding buff. This, to me, is clearly an oversight.