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    SAM changes ruins new patch

    How am I suppose to enjoy the patch when my favorite job is gutted like this? This is ridiculous. I love kaiten. Bring it back asap.
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    Amh Wilzuun
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    I agree with you totally here. The patch is otherwise excellent with a plethora of great new features and content. If my favorite job was exactly the same I would be in heaven right now, but it feels like rain on that parade. It shows how critical job design is to the experience. Luckily I do enjoy the current mono and reaper so I can just… switch mains I guess for now
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    Last edited by Amh_Wilzuun; 04-13-2022 at 05:02 AM.

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    Should've defended healer mains back when their jobs were gutted, and we wouldn't be in this situation. Healer simplification was the canary in the coal mine but most people just stood apathetic on the sidelines or outright dismissed the complaints of healer mains. And now look where we are, with several DPS classes getting simplified or gutted. Including YOUR favorite.

    Imagine how I felt at the start of ShB When my favorite class of AST was gutted and had most of its time magic removed, alongside its unique card identity... and the class quests gutted in turn to compensate this. I felt fucking miserable, just as you do now, yet far too few stood up for healer mains at the time and thus gave the impression that simplification=good in the devs eyes. And now we're here, with the classes most people actually like getting gutted and altered. And even if we stand up for this now, it'll only slow the changes.

    It's too little too late, my dude, you should've helped others when they had complaints.
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    100% with you! SAM was the only job I enjoy and it's terrible now. The entire feeling of the class is RUINED. I am done with XIV after years of loving and defending this game. I hope they loose many more players! Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laphicet View Post
    Should've defended healer mains back when their jobs were gutted, and we wouldn't be in this situation. Healer simplification was the canary in the coal mine but most people just stood apathetic on the sidelines or outright dismissed the complaints of healer mains. And now look where we are, with several DPS classes getting simplified or gutted. Including YOUR favorite.

    Imagine how I felt at the start of ShB When my favorite class of AST was gutted and had most of its time magic removed, alongside its unique card identity... and the class quests gutted in turn to compensate this. I felt fucking miserable, just as you do now, yet far too few stood up for healer mains at the time and thus gave the impression that simplification=good in the devs eyes. And now we're here, with the classes most people actually like getting gutted and altered. And even if we stand up for this now, it'll only slow the changes.

    It's too little too late, my dude, you should've helped others when they had complaints.
    You realise that most SAM mains probably don't main healers, right? Laying on the blame on SAMs for not defending you because you didn't fight hard enough is just straight cope. If you want healers to get fixed, rally all the healers to come up with *specific* reasons that their classes and the role feels bad. Come up with mathematical analysis, come up with empassioned speeches, do something that isn't simply "healing is braindead now, fix it please!" because that's not passing on any information other than the fact you're displeased.

    If nothing else, you're just coming off as spiteful and a hypocrite because now when complaints are being made, you're sitting there gloating instead of embodying the change that you're trying to advocate for and getting in the trenches with the SAMs. They might even respect you more for it. Instead, you're just going to be distruptive and combative which isn't helping your case - or anyone else's for that matter. Personally I've only played AST to level it because I've never liked the class, but you expect me - and everyone else - to defend a class we don't know, don't play and can't give a detailed analysis of because you asked? That's not really how this works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laphicet View Post
    Should've defended healer mains back when their jobs were gutted, and we wouldn't be in this situation. Healer simplification was the canary in the coal mine but most people just stood apathetic on the sidelines or outright dismissed the complaints of healer mains. And now look where we are, with several DPS classes getting simplified or gutted. Including YOUR favorite.

    Imagine how I felt at the start of ShB When my favorite class of AST was gutted and had most of its time magic removed, alongside its unique card identity... and the class quests gutted in turn to compensate this. I felt fucking miserable, just as you do now, yet far too few stood up for healer mains at the time and thus gave the impression that simplification=good in the devs eyes. And now we're here, with the classes most people actually like getting gutted and altered. And even if we stand up for this now, it'll only slow the changes.

    It's too little too late, my dude, you should've helped others when they had complaints.
    I am still SOO MAD about the cards and time magic!!! They ruined AST with that! Both my fav jobs now! In the garbage. AST is just not the same, I used to love it back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    You realise that most SAM mains probably don't main healers, right? Laying on the blame on SAMs for not defending you because you didn't fight hard enough is just straight cope. If you want healers to get fixed, rally all the healers to come up with *specific* reasons that their classes and the role feels bad. Come up with mathematical analysis, come up with empassioned speeches, do something that isn't simply "healing is braindead now, fix it please!" because that's not passing on any information other than the fact you're displeased.

    If nothing else, you're just coming off as spiteful and a hypocrite because now when complaints are being made, you're sitting there gloating instead of embodying the change that you're trying to advocate for and getting in the trenches with the SAMs. They might even respect you more for it. Instead, you're just going to be distruptive and combative which isn't helping your case - or anyone else's for that matter. Personally I've only played AST to level it because I've never liked the class, but you expect me - and everyone else - to defend a class we don't know, don't play and can't give a detailed analysis of because you asked? That's not really how this works.
    Dude if you’ve been here long enough you’ve at least looked at the other role forums to see what the hell they’re up to. That’s just being mindful of your options. What he’s saying is absolutely true.
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    oldSMN enjoyers welcome you to the club, it kind of sucks here though hope you get out soon.
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    You realise that most SAM mains probably don't main healers, right? Laying on the blame on SAMs for not defending you because you didn't fight hard enough is just straight cope. If you want healers to get fixed, rally all the healers to come up with *specific* reasons that their classes and the role feels bad. Come up with mathematical analysis, come up with empassioned speeches, do something that isn't simply "healing is braindead now, fix it please!" because that's not passing on any information other than the fact you're displeased.

    If nothing else, you're just coming off as spiteful and a hypocrite because now when complaints are being made, you're sitting there gloating instead of embodying the change that you're trying to advocate for and getting in the trenches with the SAMs. They might even respect you more for it. Instead, you're just going to be distruptive and combative which isn't helping your case - or anyone else's for that matter. Personally I've only played AST to level it because I've never liked the class, but you expect me - and everyone else - to defend a class we don't know, don't play and can't give a detailed analysis of because you asked? That's not really how this works.
    Y'all get what you deserve for not playing the correct class.

    Black Mage, as Papa Yoshi intended .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    Dude if you’ve been here long enough you’ve at least looked at the other role forums to see what the hell they’re up to. That’s just being mindful of your options. What he’s saying is absolutely true.
    I never disputed that what he said about the class wasn't true, what I have issue with is his attitude. Healers are having a rough time, and I feel for them but I only ever dabble with healing being a tank main so I'm not really sure what they expect me to do about it. I didn't play AST all that much in 4.X or 5.X and I'm not going to play it very much for this current content; I've never liked the class very much and odds are I never will... So how exactly am I going to have anything else to add to the argument from ASTs about Square dumbing down their class? The best thing I can do is not give healers shit for trying to stand up for their role and hope that they're not going to come in and be salty and distruptive when I try to defend classes that I like. If the sentiment from the playerbase is "Everyone deserved dumbed down jobs because they never defended the healers" then we might as well never bring up any piece of feedback or criticism to Square again because we deserve all we get, if we follow the thought to the logical conclusion. /shrug

    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    Y'all get what you deserve for not playing the correct class.

    Black Mage, as Papa Yoshi intended .
    Reject Kaiten. Acquire Paradox. :P
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    Last edited by SlickPaws; 04-13-2022 at 05:04 AM.

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