Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

People like me using Kaiten for combo finishers during Meikyo Shisui after generating enough Kenki and only using Shinten to not over cap: Am I a joke to you...?

to be honest, yes. that use case is a joke to me. you would have got more potency using shinten instead.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

feels way better to do shinten after every iaijutsu than it did to use weeb poser swordsman kaiten animation before midare. i always hated the kaiten animation and will be disappointed if they ever bring it back.

See, the great thing about a skill like Kaiten is if you didn't like it and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage, you could just, you know, not use it.

There we go, problem solved, everyone else gets some skill expression for Kenki management and you get to ignore an animation you dislike. Instead it sounds like you're complaining that everyone else shouldn't have fun because you don't like a particular animation.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

????? How is that problem solved? I used kaiten every time it was a damage boost because I want to play optimally despite thinking it had a stupid animation and was a waste of a keybind.

so you were playing optimally and that was a bad thing? sounds to me like you didn't enjoy to play samurai in the first place. Hey! Viper may got you covered ^^ but I gotta repeat myself: "Ever thought about the concept of actively breathing to your attacks to make them stronger?" That was Kaiten's Logic. You sure did your fundamental lvl50 rotation but Kaiten backed with the Kenki Resource put a literal twist on The Samurai Gameplay. The Only One who thinks that's weeb is you. but Hey! Tomorrow is the Day of the Crossroads of Destiny! 2 more years of the Shinten Spam or Return of Kaiten.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’ve never understood the logic of “if you don’t like it don’t press it” (this is entirely independent of Kaiten)

I mean every button is theoretically optional but we still flame cure 1 spammers and hakaze spammers

In a game with solved static rotations nothing is actually optional unless you are happy with your party members just being leeches

It's more of a gradation rather than a simple "don't like it don't use it". The loss of not using Kaiten and using it on Shinten instead was only a handful of potency per minute, while spamming Cure I is straight up ignoring the rest of the kit. Where that line between "unacceptable play" and "acceptable play" is will vary from person to person and party to party. I'm not gonna yell at someone for parsing green, even if that's a sign that they're not playing their job particularly well. As long as the Samurai is doing above tank levels of damage in casual content I won't complain.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

????? How is that problem solved? I used kaiten every time it was a damage boost because I want to play optimally despite thinking it had a stupid animation and was a waste of a keybind.

Hence the qualifier of "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage". If you do want to do top damage, then use everything in the kit to its fullest, otherwise complaining about it sounds like you want the rewards without the same effort. Stupid animation is also highly subjective and most of Samurais kit has over the top unrealistic animations made based on anime/pop culture tropes.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Wanna know how the problem was solved? The dev team removed the button. There are very few people who actually fit into this "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage" category

And in turn made the new problems of Shinten spam and a meaningless Kenki mechanic. As for the not caring about doing less damage, the average expert party I end up in seems to be counter to that with how long pulls go for; people just try their best with the tools they've got, if they find something annoying to do, they just don't do it. People only truly care for subpar damage when doing extreme and up.

Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

It's more of a gradation rather than a simple "don't like it don't use it". The loss of not using Kaiten and using it on Shinten instead was only a handful of potency per minute, while spamming Cure I is straight up ignoring the rest of the kit. Where that line between "unacceptable play" and "acceptable play" is will vary from person to person and party to party. I'm not gonna yell at someone for parsing green, even if that's a sign that they're not playing their job particularly well. As long as the Samurai is doing above tank levels of damage in casual content I won't complain.



Hence the qualifier of "and didn't care that you'd be doing less damage". If you do want to do top damage, then use everything in the kit to its fullest, otherwise complaining about it sounds like you want the rewards without the same effort. Stupid animation is also highly subjective and most of Samurais kit has over the top unrealistic animations made based on anime/pop culture tropes.



And in turn made the new problems of Shinten spam and a meaningless Kenki mechanic. As for the not caring about doing less damage, the average expert party I end up in seems to be counter to that with how long pulls go for; people just try their best with the tools they've got, if they find something annoying to do, they just don't do it. People only truly care for subpar damage when doing extreme and up.

Too bad so sad, kaiten is gone and it's not coming back. Devs agree with me not you.

So suddenly yesterday it occurred to me that literally there are 5 buttons that could be merged into 3 without changing the feel of sam, and they still chose to delete kaiten lol

I’ve never understood the logic of “if you don’t like it don’t press it” (this is entirely independent of Kaiten)

I mean every button is theoretically optional but we still flame cure 1 spammers and hakaze spammers

In a game with solved static rotations nothing is actually optional unless you are happy with your party members just being leeches