Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

One final bump before I approach the 14 days of inactivity and loss of forum access. I'll be keeping an eye on 6.2 patch notes for any news, but I'm too tilted at how they finessed their way out of at least revealing the design intent of 6.1 SAM changes, and don't think I want to resub..

It does not sound like they will be retroactively discussing what happened in 6.1 with SAM or any of the other jobs, and will only be discussing changes that happen in patch 6.2 and onward. Thanks for the good discussion and feedback at least, even if it was all for nothing. But who cares what I think, I'm a nobody among the 100s of MSQ loggers that will replace me anyway.

Take care

Originally Posted by Flashy

at how they finessed their way out of at least revealing the design intent of 6.1 SAM changes

They didn't finesse their way out of it, they just chose to ignore it. Like they did before. Because why talk about things you want to do when you're going to implement them, or why talk about the future when it's technically not relevant yet? Obviously there's "exciting" things planned for 7.0, but we're such a long ways off of that.

Originally Posted by Ruminous

They didn't finesse their way out of it, they just chose to ignore it. Like they did before. Because why talk about things you want to do when you're going to implement them, or why talk about the future when it's technically not relevant yet? Obviously there's "exciting" things planned for 7.0, but we're such a long ways off of that.

That's my prediction.

SE shrugging it off like they never requested us to try out 6.1 SAM changes and to give them feedback. Said they will post changes however with the new patches, it sounds like an Ego thing to justify what they think is right. " Don't you have Phones " and " You think you do, but you don't " type of vibe we're getting.

They'll act like it never happened, never mentioning Kaiten removal or Tenka Goken changes or the forgetting of Auto Crit adding to Tenka Goken or even Auto Crits in general being negatively received, but will probably note some the other changes over it like the QoL Enpi while having idiots defend it all by saying " You're still top performing DPS " and such with the occasional healer main reminding us how " you lot must be new? " retoric, as if this norm should be acceptable cause it shouldn't. Not by any mmorpg honestly cause we have plenty that can share their experiences with negative changes in the past in other games.

Plenty say it's reflective of Blizzard's behavior to WoW, I can't really touch on it. Never played WoW, but that sounds really concerning.

No, on the contrary you don’t like being told “no it won’t be happening”.

They’ve already explained it through & decided to move forward; you just happened to be furiously impulsive & now calling out SE for something you didn’t get…?


It’s a wonder how you even continue

Originally Posted by Vencio

No, on the contrary you don’t like being told “no it won’t be happening”.

They’ve already explained it through & decided to move forward; you just happened to be furiously impulsive & now calling out SE for something you didn’t get…?


It’s a wonder how you even continue

False information, yet again. I guess I'll prechew what happened so you can swallow it better.

They requested feedback, we gave it. They didn't respond to any of the changes made as of 6.1 Samurai. If you been paying attention a tiny little, you would have noticed the promise that they would apply whatever changes they make to Jobs in future patch notes. Like skill changes. It's an Ego thing where they will not admit any flaws they PvE combat designs. Our prediction is pretty much them shrugging off not explaining any of the 6.1 changes they made.

It's a wonder how you can even continue when your mouth is full of Square's... let's say Juices.

Originally Posted by Ruminous

They didn't finesse their way out of it, they just chose to ignore it. Like they did before. Because why talk about things you want to do when you're going to implement them, or why talk about the future when it's technically not relevant yet? Obviously there's "exciting" things planned for 7.0, but we're such a long ways off of that.

I cant imagine whats exciting is going for sam in 7.0 if endwalker seller ability is shoha 2 and they also copy pasted midare tsubame combo into a boring skill you use once in a while.

Months later the triple punch of kaiten, auto-crit, and tenka still stings. It's still super unfair and tone deaf of the devs to do all of that to SAM players during a patch and not in tandem with an expansion rework. I now enjoy Monk almost as much as I ever enjoyed 6.0 SAM. I hope to one day come back to it but I have retired my Katana since the job simply isn't fun anymore .

If they intend to stick to their guns on SAM i'll be very worried that the skill expression and satisfaction that I enjoy with EW monk was just an accident and will be smoothed out in the coming months/years

Originally Posted by Ruminous

They didn't finesse their way out of it, they just chose to ignore it. Like they did before. Because why talk about things you want to do when you're going to implement them, or why talk about the future when it's technically not relevant yet? Obviously there's "exciting" things planned for 7.0, but we're such a long ways off of that.

It is what it is,

Deal with it

This is it. The moment of truth. Are we gonna get the great reverse in the full patch notes or eat shit for another 4 months? Maybe years? It might not happen today, but a huge sun will rise tomorrow!


-Sips Hinganshian poison rapidly because this has genuinely murdered my motivation to play FFXIV and I'm just coping with some laughs-

Huffed enough copium… Its obvious that they wont revert back the changes from the seems of it… if they return kaiten etc sure I will go back to playing SAM but the cone aoe becoming a circle AoE annoyed me the most when this doesnt affect anyone except ultimate raiders.

On the other hand its hilarious how almost every change for the BLM since ARR till now in EW (except flare gain on 2 removal) has been positive. Is it a coincidence?

Now i learnt after they simplify all other jobs *cough* (DRG and AST next on the execution platform which has been delayed) the only thing ill find in the ashes will be the BLM.

See you all SAM mains in the after life was good time playing the job up till now. (Unless it magically gets reverted)