Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Reminder that theres no precedent for SE giving back abilities exactly as they were. When they gave us Hakagure back it was modified quite a lot to have a Sen reset button instead of being a long CD Shinten spamming enabler (which is funny considering shinten spam now is worse than it ever was then). So if they do realize they f'd up we'd most likely get something different, maybe more or less interesting than old Kaiten that fits their new vision of SAM better.

Originally Posted by Ruminous

Doubt they'd do that, but it would be hilarious yet pathetic if they did. "Here's the thing that made samurai back again but you need to wait for another 2 years before it's fun!"

If they don't give us something back in 6.2 they're probably going to do that.
Another issue with that is that low level SAM would still feel really bad under level 80. Play things like level 70 synced content and you'll feel like you're playing a level 50 job, it's horrible. I hate playing a gimped version of SAM in some of my favorite fights. So I'd rather have them give something to replace that level 52 ability.

Since I continued playing the game, I just quit playing samurai. I've been learning other jobs, just so I don't have to put up with how boring samurai is now. I miss it, though, but knowing what I'd go back to? Just sucks.

Originally Posted by Tamaerl

Watch them do the monkey paw, giving us back kaiten by putting it in the 91-100 skills/traits.

Or not have it back at all,

When’s this live letter coming about anyway?

This must end once & for all!

I'm finally getting around to leveling Samurai from 80 to 90, and while there's really nothing I can say about the 6.1 changes that hasn't been said about it yet, the Tenka Goken changes are throwing me off more than the removal of Kaiten because I'm leveling with dungeons. Fuga is still a cone, so... WTF was the point? Also Shinten spam is boring as hell, Samurai feels like shit now and I'm going to be glad to get it to 90 so I can drop it forever. It was at least fun to play back in ShB.

Originally Posted by Nizzi

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Kaiten obtained at Lv52 and Kyuten obtained at Lv62. Any content between those 2 levels will mean that our AoE filler? sometimes has to be " Shinten " now because we don't have anything else to spend Kenki. Even Guren is at Lv70.

Coupled with Tenka Goken being Circular made it less satisfying to aim. And even if aimed correctly, it feels like it hits less targets then the old version while also having lowered potency. Now I wouldn't be happy if they smacked Tenka Goken with Auto-Crit adjustment, but even this they couldn't do because they... Forgot? Lazy... it's beyond lazy... and it fixed nothing absolutely nothing it just made the gameplay horrible.

Originally Posted by Nizzi

I'm finally getting around to leveling Samurai from 80 to 90, and while there's really nothing I can say about the 6.1 changes that hasn't been said about it yet, the Tenka Goken changes are throwing me off more than the removal of Kaiten because I'm leveling with dungeons. Fuga is still a cone, so... WTF was the point? Also Shinten spam is boring as hell, Samurai feels like shit now and I'm going to be glad to get it to 90 so I can drop it forever. It was at least fun to play back in ShB.

Aside from Shinten and the Tenka Goken change, SAM actually still feels pretty good at 80, imo

90 is where it starts to feel a bit jank due to the second charge of Tsubame-Gaeshi, though yhat might just be me since I've not bothered to learn a rotation beyond winging the opener with as much as I can.

Originally Posted by xAFROx

Aside from Shinten and the Tenka Goken change, SAM actually still feels pretty good at 80, imo

90 is where it starts to feel a bit jank due to the second charge of Tsubame-Gaeshi, though yhat might just be me since I've not bothered to learn a rotation beyond winging the opener with as much as I can.

It's okay at 80 but actually feels like a level 50 job in synced 70 content, so barebones compared to when it had Kaiten to spice up things a bit.

Originally Posted by Hezhi

It's okay at 80 but actually feels like a level 50 job in synced 70 content, so barebones compared to when it had Kaiten to spice up things a bit.

Hard agree here
It feels really barebones now

Originally Posted by Kaseladen

Hard agree here
It feels really barebones now

At 70, yes. At 80, it feels pretty good. Unfortunately, it felt really good at 90 too until 6.1