Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Is it really so hard for people who've given up/stopped caring/don't care to just move on if they aren't interested?

Is it too much for folks to just remain civil about a differing of opinions?

If folks don't want to hear or see this, just move on. Simple, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Kazimere

I don't want to hear it. I used to play Samurai and then stopped cause there's more wrong with it than Kaiten. You need to get over it already. It's like the Soprano's. It's over.

I need to get over it? or you need to get over me getting over it o- O? get-over-ception

Though I agree that " now " there's more things wrong with Samurai then just Kaiten. For example I don't like the Tenka Goken change. But what exactly in detail if you could share with us as a fellow " concerned player ", are the issues with Samurai? and at what point did you realized it and made you stop playing Samurai?

Originally Posted by Kazimere

people keep whining about it without giving any suggestions that would justify bringing it back.

I have no sympathies for Samurai. The majority of them whine more than warriors.

So you skipped the entire thread where the OP went through the trouble of compiling all the complaints and SUGGESTIONS, and just ran to the last page so you could shitpost as fast as possible? The only pathetic one here is you.

Originally Posted by Kazimere

but people keep whining about it without giving any suggestions that would justify bringing it back.

Suggestions were made, compiled thread-links on page 1. You skimmed and ignored all of it, that or suffering from a reading disability.

Regarding whining, you made well over " 45 " Anti/Negative-Samurai posts and a total of " 5 " in this thread, complaining about Samurai's complaining... have you attempted to not click the Samurai threads? as a suggestion.

Originally Posted by Kazimere

I don't want to hear it...

This is like going to a Sushi Bar complaining about not wanting to hear anything about Sushi when you hate Sushi. You're going to Samurai threads complaining about hearing anything Samurai related... xD !?

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

This is like going to a Sushi Bar complaining about not wanting to hear anything about Sushi when you hate Sushi. You're going to Samurai threads complaining about hearing anything Samurai related... xD !?

Yah, there have been some doozies of hot takes by some players since 6.1 hit and the driving need to tell other people to shut up with their opinion...


But this guy is on a different level. I almost want to believe its satirical if anything... But man has he dedicated himself to the role he's playing.

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Suggestions were made, compiled thread-links on page 1. You skimmed and ignored all of it, that or suffering from a reading disability.

Regarding whining, you made well over " 45 " Anti/Negative-Samurai posts and a total of " 5 " in this thread, complaining about Samurai's complaining... have you attempted to not click the Samurai threads? as a suggestion.


This is like going to a Sushi Bar complaining about not wanting to hear anything about Sushi when you hate Sushi. You're going to Samurai threads complaining about hearing anything Samurai related... xD !?

What would be the fun in that?

It’s a good thread thank you Celesti, no doubt this task is proving quite daunting and people trying to negatively contribute to bring this work down is probably discouraging, regardless I am grateful to you for compiling this post and to those who continue to provide feedback respectfully. In the end people can try to tell us we’re wrong for feeling the way we do but the consensus seems to be that subjectively the job is feels bad to play.

I do think some of these changes were rushed and as a consequence badly received, we can only hope that the developers see this and swiftly remedy, although I’d say the timeframe for ‘swiftly’ is gone now.

Originally Posted by Alex1337

It’s a good thread thank you Celesti, no doubt this task is proving quite daunting and people trying to negatively contribute to bring this work down is probably discouraging, regardless I am grateful to you for compiling this post and to those who continue to provide feedback respectfully. In the end people can try to tell us we’re wrong for feeling the way we do but the consensus seems to be that subjectively the job is feels bad to play.

FFXIV would be the 1st time I ever gone to the forums to post, but in other game forums I experienced reading this happening and threads got closed. In the event this is their goal, I already have a Google Docs of all my original posts on page 1. I'll repost if anything happens.

Reading the forums I also been noticing people like Kazimere could be really addicted to what is Meta. Top aDPS, rDPS, nDPSm jealousy of other jobs QoL updates etc. I barely also read Reaper posts? so they probably are in a fine spot? but if people like Kazimere think they aren't cause they aren't top dog? well it might explain his trolling posts abit.

Originally Posted by Kazimere

What would be the fun in that?

Then again he admits it blatantly, and I am trying to understand " Human Stupidity ". Cardinal sin I know.

As for the reasons non-SAM mains illogically counter our points

• You are still top DPS shut up
• You still perform why whine
• You got potencies you complain
• It is just one button
• It was for balancing reasons
• It was for less fluctuating numbers
• Kaiten was meaningless
• A button you press everytime

Lets not forget the " You should have voiced your concerns for our Job in the past " logic, specially to someone like me who started playing after it all happened to know and do anything about it...

Then generally Samurai casual/non-main-Samurai's/Trolls who will say

• The changes are great
• I want simplicity
• Your opinions are invalid

From players who have not max leveled nor leveled or played Samurai to any high-end content. Sometimes even a mentor to dismiss Feedback from our Longtime experienced Samurai mains.

Cause what's really whining and complaining to me?

" Are all of the above listed counter argument points, this undying passion to proof Samurai mains that the 6.1 changes were that positive for Samurai and FFXIV in general, when it affects them so little or almost entirely nothing ".

I mean I'll happily discredit every single one of them on every single Samurai thread. Look at my signature... don't test what I wouldn't do for my favorite job =u=;

I'd like to quote my reasoning behind why I think many people are unsatisfied with the current developers' design philosophy when it comes to job design below, from a thread about why I am currently no longer monetarily supporting FFXIV.

Originally Posted by DreadfullyAwful

1) You're probably not even unsubbed

I have no plans of resubbing in the near future

2) You're just going to resub and are just stirring things up
I understand the cynicism. However, let me share some of my experience. I have been playing MMOs for 16 years, prominently WoW. They are my favourite game genre and something I play regularly. However, in particular from my experiences from WoW - you do learn to tell the intentions of developers for making changes. And the current job changes that have been happening in the recent years have not been in the best interest of the consistent players, but rather aimed at trying to retain the recent large spike new players that have played through the game since ShadowBringers.

This isn't about damage, numbers, yada-yada. It is about the feel of the game being changed to the detriment of long term players' experience, in the hope of increasing player retention after the expansion/patch cycle. And it is bad for the game in the long term. The worst part of it for me however, is the insincerity from the game director for the need of the now implemented changes. Additionally, there seems to be an internal bias for jobs within SE for which get simplified and which keep the core aspects that help them retain their integral class fantasy/feel.

Coupled with this, and the lack of job experience of 'job testers' that was revealed in recent interview with YoshiP when they were discussing how they were testing healer jobs, has allowed me and many others to conclude that these job changes aren't in the best interest of the core playerbase. Thus, this has led to many of us taking a step back away from FFXIV.