Thread: Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

Originally Posted by Gruntler

Samurai burst was causing dancer and bard to become degenerate with respect to Machinist and that made balancing the ranged role very difficult for them. They explained that part of the reason for Samurai's rebalancing of power was because it was too much in terms of the raid-wide burst windows and that they wanted to take power outside the raidwide burst window.

So with that in mind, imagine if they brought Kaiten back the way it was.

That would mean to maintain their stated goal of rebalancing power outside job burst, the base potency for MSQ would have to be reduced to 427 w/ autocrit.

Now just think about that. Do you really love Kaiten? Is Kaiten the button you really want to fight to keep?

Or is it the 1000+ potency MSGs you really care about?

Legitimate question, and it'd be interesting to see your answers. But please understand--Kaiten back or not, MSG power is NOT coming back, and they need it that way for other roles to be balanced well.

Then what is the point of the flavor and fantasy of the job that is SAM as it was introduced? The whole point of the job flow was to do the slow combos in order to build to its true power, the casted finishers. What are we building to if everything needs to be flat. At that rate and thought process, are we not just playing similarly to the tanks in just repeating a basic combo over and over with little difference in damage across the board.

I've played the changes already and my whole kit does the same throughout. So what are we casting for? What is the kit for? People keep complaining about kenki not mattering anymore and they're right. But with the damage values we have, it honestly feels like Sen hardly matters now too.

The way you describe what's been done and why is a literal sledgehammer to a single brick in the all like nothing is wrong. The wall is still damaged if you do that. It's still intact, but it's not a solid wall anymore.

So why the change? If it's about balance on a greater whole, why is it just SAM and not, I don't know, the entire role you stated was an issue?

We can't forget that the devs are the ones who created this supposed issue to begin with by making everything so focused on a specific burst window. At the logic presented, why have bursts at all?

There's no more expression or uniqueness in the design. It started with tanks and healers, and now the dps too.

So who or what are these changes actually for?

I Never find nothing wrong on samurai, I play it over the gamepad of xbox, On pc, I Always did my best, I always concern my % in dmg. All what i know it was flow, Pure And Angelic perfection, Which i love.
The removal of Kaiten hit me hard like a truck on the street after taking something to eat before going to school.

What i know now, is only a spammable Shinten, My hands just end up crying over it becoming numb of it.

Removing Kaiten really delete a part of the samurai, They find it obsolete? They find it bad, What i know they has better ways to deal with it and not remove Kaiten. This is the most Stupid mistake FF DEV And Yoshi, Did, I really am against being toxic or angry over the Dev, They are beutiful peoples, But this, is unacceptable.

I really wanna yell, Or insult the Dev to make them understand how much bad, Spoking for all peoples that have my same feeling towards Kaiten, My people, OUR Peoples, Us.

I really won't explain everyreason, Which everyone already did.
But know something dev, You did something that is over the most IDIOTIC UNBEARABLE INCONSISTENT OUTRAGEOUS And FOOLISH Decision you could ever made!

Originally Posted by Misa-Miko

But know something dev, You did something that is over the most IDIOTIC UNBEARABLE INCONSISTENT OUTRAGEOUS And FOOLISH Decision you could ever made!

Oh and don't forget all the pathetic excuses they are spewing.

"Hurrrr button bloat"
"Hurrrr restrictive"
"Hurrrr burst window"

I think at this point, it's pretty obvious some dipshit high in management shove this in and is now doubling down so they don't lose face.

Originally Posted by Gruntler

If they brought Kaiten back, they'd set the potency at under 400 for Midare Setsugekka because they're NOT going to revert the degenerate burst. Because it's degenerate, in the same ways and same reasons old Disembowl was. Just as no dragoon is reasonable in asking for the piercing debuff back, no samurai is going to be reasonable in expecting the 1000+ potency crit midares back. It's not going to happen, and wanting it back won't make it so, because it's necessary for the balance of the roles around Samurai.

Now you can make the argument that Samurai doesn't do enough damage to justify its selfishness, and if that's the case, make that your argument, and look for ways to accomplish this without the burst.

But they're not gonna bring the old MSG back. They'll adjust potencies a bit, they'll tweak it, but you're not getting 1000+ potency MSG back. So, is Kaiten that important to you that you'd be willing to take the gutting of MSG potency to get it back?

Was Kaiten Important? I disbelieve you, because NO ONE was talking about how integral it was to the samurai feel until the change was announced. NO ONE was saying that in the 4 years before Endwalker, they were saying that it existed as a mandatory button press before Iaijutsu and that's it. Because that IS what it was. It wasn't anything more.

I'm not saying your feelings aren't valid. I'm saying Kaiten isn't what you're really having a problem with. I'm saying that you're not quite being honest with yourselves, because you know if they brought Kaiten back, your Iajutsu potencies would be gutted to do so. You know they're not going to put your old burst back. You know they had problems with it, and when they have problems like that, they don't go back on that.

So, rather than try to complain and revert to that which is degenerate, instead, why not try to look at ways to improve things for you such that they are not?

You really don't seem to understand what it actually is that we're complaining about here. If you did, you'd know the problem I'd more than 'just kaiten'. It's just easy to point at Kaiten as a culmination of the issues compounded into one change, but overall we aren't happy with qhat they've done to the job as a whole and have stated each and every problem made by the 6.1 change.

Actually read through the complaints before you say we're doing it wrong. We've literally stated more than 'just kaiten'.

Thank you for your input and have a nice day.

Bumping the topic. Never forgetti

Man, you samurai are still on about Kaiten? You’re like broken records.

Originally Posted by Kazimere

Man, you samurai are still on about Kaiten? You’re like broken records.

Man, you Non-Samurai's are still on about trolling Samurai threads? You're like broken records.

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Man, you Non-Samurai's are still on about trolling Samurai threads? You're like broken records.

I don't want to hear it. I used to play Samurai and then stopped cause there's more wrong with it than Kaiten. You need to get over it already. It's like the Soprano's. It's over.

Originally Posted by Kazimere

I don't want to hear it. I used to play Samurai and then stopped cause there's more wrong with it than Kaiten. You need to get over it already. It's like the Soprano's. It's over.

I need to get over it? or you need to get over me getting over it o- O? get-over-ception

Though I agree that " now " there's more things wrong with Samurai then just Kaiten. For example I don't like the Tenka Goken change. But what exactly in detail if you could share with us as a fellow " concerned player ", are the issues with Samurai? and at what point did you realized it and made you stop playing Samurai?