Louisioux's tattoo theory

[Anonymoose]

Yet following the subjugation of Ala Mhigo [1557], the Empire suddenly ceased its aggressive expansion.

Ten years past [1562], the Empire battled a great dragon here in Mor Dhona. It was around that time that the Garleans called a halt to their war of conquest.

Ah, well. Maybe SE doesn't want us to know whether the Primal was sighted before or after the Battle of Silvertear Skies... I've got a handful of quotes like this. They're consistent within 5 years, but inconsistent in terms of anything shorter. That's a whole Umbral Era's worth of time!

Door's back open on Shiva and Ramuh. I've still got 10 gil on Odin.

Gauis receives a report that Bahamut has indeed appeared. Everything is going according to my plan thinks Gaius

An interesting take on the story to be sure, but this part implies that Gaius schemed with Nael to do the thing he tried to talk him out of. That's the big part I disagree with. Baelsar thought Dalamud was bad news when he thought it was just a rock. No one in the Empire was prepared for Bahamut, as far as we know, except possibly Cid - who was witness to the Citadel incident. Then again, we saw Cid in the End of an Era cinematic and he looked pretty surprised.

Regardless of what was going on, though, I do feel confident that Gaius probably did not say, "My plan to fall from the Emperor's favor and be ridiculed for ten years as I serve a questionably sane Elezen while he does my job of conquering Eorzea has finally come to fruition!" which would have admittedly been pretty funny in his Judge Vader voice.

As you can tell by this thread, we know a lot about a little, and none of that lot is the little that matters. It could be anything. As I've said, my money is on Odin. He's an Elder Primal that seeks to do battle with worthy foes - there's only one other Elder Primal around here. But who knows. For all we know Odin is a guardian deity of the Allag meant to balance Bahamut and keep him locked in his Labyrinth ... which would explain why he aimlessly wandered the Shroud for aeons while the Wyrmking was playing Pluto, I guess.

I do think the Empire is doing unholy experiments with primals however...

But that is another topic... for another time...

[NoloeTazier]

Ah, well. Maybe SE doesn't want us to know whether the Primal was sighted before or after the Battle of Silvertear Skies... I've got a handful of quotes like this. They're consistent within 5 years, but inconsistent in terms of anything shorter. That's a whole Umbral Era's worth of time!

Door's back open on Shiva and Ramuh. I've still got 10 gil on Odin.



An interesting take on the story to be sure, but this part implies that Gaius schemed with Nael to do the thing he tried to talk him out of. That's the big part I disagree with. Baelsar thought Dalamud was bad news when he thought it was just a rock. No one in the Empire was prepared for Bahamut, as far as we know, except possibly Cid - who was witness to the Citadel incident. Then again, we saw Cid in the End of an Era cinematic and he looked pretty surprised.

Regardless of what was going on, though, I do feel confident that Gaius probably did not say, "My plan to fall from the Emperor's favor and be ridiculed for ten years as I serve a questionably sane Elezen while he does my job of conquering Eorzea has finally come to fruition!" which would have admittedly been pretty funny in his Judge Vader voice.

As you can tell by this thread, we know a lot about a little, and none of that lot is the little that matters. It could be anything. As I've said, my money is on Odin. He's an Elder Primal that seeks to do battle with worthy foes - there's only one other Elder Primal around here. But who knows. For all we know Odin is a guardian deity of the Allag meant to balance Bahamut and keep him locked in his Labyrinth ... which would explain why he aimlessly wandered the Shroud for aeons while the Wyrmking was playing Pluto, I guess.

I do think the Empire is doing unholy experiments with primals however...

But that is another topic... for another time...

Yeah that makes a good deal of sense. "Worthy" to Odin may not have been the Ala Mhigan army or the Gridania/Ishgard/Ul'dah/Limsa alliance. What would be more worthy to an Elder Primal like Odin other than another Elder Primal in Bahamut. But I wonder why Odin would choose the Twelveswood/Black Shroud to do his wandering and not Thanalan, Mor Dhona, or Coerthas. Nidhogg wasn't worthy maybe?

But back on Louisoix, I wouldn't be surprised if a new Archon pops up under the guidance of Urianger. And I wonder if SE intends to introduce the other 6 or at least the other 5 names since we know of Ahldbear.

[Sabi]

Ah, well. Maybe SE doesn't want us to know whether the Primal was sighted before or after the Battle of Silvertear Skies... I've got a handful of quotes like this. They're consistent within 5 years, but inconsistent in terms of anything shorter. That's a whole Umbral Era's worth of time!

Door's back open on Shiva and Ramuh. I've still got 10 gil on Odin.



An interesting take on the story to be sure, but this part implies that Gaius schemed with Nael to do the thing he tried to talk him out of. That's the big part I disagree with. Baelsar thought Dalamud was bad news when he thought it was just a rock. No one in the Empire was prepared for Bahamut, as far as we know, except possibly Cid - who was witness to the Citadel incident. Then again, we saw Cid in the End of an Era cinematic and he looked pretty surprised.

Regardless of what was going on, though, I do feel confident that Gaius probably did not say, "My plan to fall from the Emperor's favor and be ridiculed for ten years as I serve a questionably sane Elezen while he does my job of conquering Eorzea has finally come to fruition!" which would have admittedly been pretty funny in his Judge Vader voice.

As you can tell by this thread, we know a lot about a little, and none of that lot is the little that matters. It could be anything. As I've said, my money is on Odin. He's an Elder Primal that seeks to do battle with worthy foes - there's only one other Elder Primal around here. But who knows. For all we know Odin is a guardian deity of the Allag meant to balance Bahamut and keep him locked in his Labyrinth ... which would explain why he aimlessly wandered the Shroud for aeons while the Wyrmking was playing Pluto, I guess.

I do think the Empire is doing unholy experiments with primals however...

But that is another topic... for another time...

Nah i meant that Gaius didn't believe Nael when Nael told him about Bahamut ( did Nael tell Gaius about Bahamut? )
So i should have said Gaius had 2 plans, one for if Bahamut didn't appear and one for if he did appear.

[NoloeTazier]

Nah i meant that Gaius didn't believe Nael when Nael told him about Bahamut ( did Nael tell Gaius about Bahamut? )
So i should have said Gaius had 2 plans, one for if Bahamut didn't appear and one for if he did appear.

Gaius only knew van Darnus wanted to carry on with the "Meteor Project," ala have it come crashing down on Eorzea. Turns out Dalamud (the target of the project) was a prison for Bahamut. Nael van Darnus definitely changed as he began to get closer to his goal. We don't know if even Van Darnus knew what was inside Dalamud, but he was definitely influenced by either Bahamut or the aether-aura of Dalamud (which was probably Bahamut's doing).

Gaius van Baelsar may have assumed that Dalamud was more than just a moon, but I doubt he ultimately knew it was Bahamut. And since he wears a mask, we can't really tell if he was shocked to see Bahamut as he watched from his airship. But he was definitely curious..surprised he didn't take advantage of the chaos to ensure the destruction of most of the Eorzean Alliance, most Legatus surely would have.

[Anonymoose]

Surprised he didn't take advantage of the chaos to ensure the destruction of most of the Eorzean Alliance, most Legatus surely would have.

If I had just spent the last 10 years of my life playing second fiddle to Nael after single-handedly capturing the first Eorzean city-state... and I was watching his entire plan unravel in terms of its raw value to the Imperial agenda (especially if this included the appearance of one-if-not-two Elder Primals)... I, too, would just sit back and enjoy for a minute. I'd have earned it. Gaius had to be feeling like redemption was at hand; he predicted this would be bad for the war effort... and he'll be back on top soon enough. Remember his last words...

"Leave me something worth conquering."

[Zenaku]

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Gaius only knew van Darnus wanted to carry on with the "Meteor Project," ala have it come crashing down on Eorzea. Turns out Dalamud (the target of the project) was a prison for Bahamut. Nael van Darnus definitely changed as he began to get closer to his goal. We don't know if even Van Darnus knew what was inside Dalamud, but he was definitely influenced by either Bahamut or the aether-aura of Dalamud (which was probably Bahamut's doing).

Gaius van Baelsar may have assumed that Dalamud was more than just a moon, but I doubt he ultimately knew it was Bahamut. And since he wears a mask, we can't really tell if he was shocked to see Bahamut as he watched from his airship. But he was definitely curious..surprised he didn't take advantage of the chaos to ensure the destruction of most of the Eorzean Alliance, most Legatus surely would have.

I think no one knew that Dalamud was more then a moon. I think Gaius knew that it would kill everything on eorzea and he could not let that happen. The reason he did not is because gaius strike me as a type of person who want to win with his own idea and plans not take advantage of something other person did. maybe he thought would make him look weak.

Also like Anonymoose said "Leave me something worth conquering." Gaius want to control eorzea while Darnus he had no patience. Maybe that was due to Bahamut controlling him in some way to make sure he get free or some other reason,.

[Catapult]

Remember his last words...

"Leave me something worth conquering."

A good point there. It seems Gaius wants to be able to properly conquer, not have victory handed to him on a silver platter.

[Alaltus]

"In the midst of the chaos, however, Bahamut was enveloped in a blinding white light and abruptly disappeared from the skies. None claim to have seen the primal in the five years since."

A blinding white light? doesn't sound very Odin to me and nobody sees him doing it? Rather than fight his worthy adversary he teleports him away to the labyrinth? and he doesn't go to the labyrinth to fight him there either?


"There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world."

It's up for debate but to me that says that hes been around for so long anyone who might have lived long enough to know his origins is long dead. So i don't think he could have only just appeared because of the Crystal Tower, and if he did then why does he roam the black shroud? Why not nearby the Crystal Tower? Who knows what Odin considers a worthy foe? A general? An army? An adventurer? Another primal? Or a worthy soul?

If any primal/elder primal was involved i would say it would be a certain holy missile firing artillery castle. Especially if he was inside Dalamud until the bozja citadel incident or beyound. If Alexander was originally inside Dalamud with Bahamut then he might have been the one ment to send him back to his prison should he escape.

"Housed on the Red Moon, the Giant of Babil is summoned to the Earth by gathering the Crystals at the Tower of Babil to activate a dimensional elevator." FFIV

I'm not convinced it has any connection to the primals/elder primals yet though. We still don't know anything about how Siren or Fenrir will be involved in the story either. If even any of them do. As for Louisoix i hope he doesn't do a Gandalf though if he was teleported with Bahamut, i could enjoy watching the Louilites squirm as they have to fight a tainted Louisoix. =P

[Zenaku]

"In the midst of the chaos, however, Bahamut was enveloped in a blinding white light and abruptly disappeared from the skies. None claim to have seen the primal in the five years since."

A blinding white light? doesn't sound very Odin to me and nobody sees him doing it? Rather than fight his worthy adversary he teleports him away to the labyrinth? and he doesn't go to the labyrinth to fight him there either?


"There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world."

It's up for debate but to me that says that hes been around for so long anyone who might have lived long enough to know his origins is long dead. So i don't think he could have only just appeared because of the Crystal Tower, and if he did then why does he roam the black shroud? Why not nearby the Crystal Tower? Who knows what Odin considers a worthy foe? A general? An army? An adventurer? Another primal? Or a worthy soul?

If any primal/elder primal was involved i would say it would be a certain holy missile firing artillery castle. Especially if he was inside Dalamud until the bozja citadel incident or beyound. If Alexander was originally inside Dalamud with Bahamut then he might have been the one ment to send him back to his prison should he escape.

"Housed on the Red Moon, the Giant of Babil is summoned to the Earth by gathering the Crystals at the Tower of Babil to activate a dimensional elevator." FFIV

I'm not convinced it has any connection to the primals/elder primals yet though. We still don't know anything about how Siren or Fenrir will be involved in the story either. If even any of them do. As for Louisoix i hope he doesn't do a Gandalf though if he was teleported with Bahamut, i could enjoy watching the Louilites squirm as they have to fight a tainted Louisoix. =P

"fell knight clad all in black, Odin roams paths long forgotten beneath the canopy of the Black Shroud.
There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world. Ever vigilant as he sits astride his mighty steed, Sleipnir, it is said that Odin is drivenly solely by the desire to do battle with worthy foes."


What that tell me is that Odin was always in eorzea he was just living beneath the black shroud all this time. When bahamut came and mess up eorzea many ruins of past civilizations resurface same goes with crystal tower. If you every saw part of black shroud it's so deep it's just all black. So pretty much when we walking around that area we would be the middle part of a very big tree lol. So i'm guessing someone summon him and he just stay there looking for a foe to fight. Time pass by and the tree grow and he was just trap beneath what we call now call black shroud too the event of 1.0 happen.

[Vydos]

I'm actually wondering through which means we'll get to learn the truth to what happened, during and perhaps after that megaflare. Logically speaking, the GC leaders and Cid should be able to tell the player what happened as well. They were there as well and all survived it.