Musketeer Needs a Job

[Reika]

shogun im still not getting what your saying. you dont want bard to fight just do songs?? help me out here on this.

It could have done ranged attacks with musical instruments too like edwin did from FFIV, unlike XI's bard who just sang and couldn't do anything else. The concept wouldn't have to change - sing/play a song that buffs the party, then commence attacking. It just wouldn't be with a bow.

And to the above pictures, you can post pictures of a bard using 50 different weapons, and you can do the same thing with every other class in this game. Doesn't really make a difference, lest I go find some pictures of paladins and 2 handed Swords/Axes/Maces, Crossbows, daggers, handaxes, handmaces, staves, and we can discuss some changes there as well.

Simply, the FINAL FANTASY bard is musical instruments for combat, mainly the harp.

[Altena]

Seriously. Stop.

You guys and FFXI. Do you have no creativity? Can you not think that bard spells are spells and that you can make him like a mage (rather then cast one and watch)? Or work out interactive AoE spells in combination perhaps making songs in circle zones, buff stacking and patterns? Seriously enough with the 2 min sit and watch examples.

If you look back at my post, you will notice that I did not mention any of XI's mechanics in a heavier weight then you have previously.. So your statement is rather hypocritical. Your examples are based on XI, and previous Final Fantasy (single player) examples.

Stop fixating on FFXI, almost every class was boring in FFXI imo (too slow for me personally I'm a little twitchy- which would be why I liked blue mage >.>).

You are fixating on XI yourself. I will stop when you do.

Also I didnt mention FFXI until after I said I didnt- so the sequence is correct lets not argue semantics and grammatical structure. A primary focus on ARC/BRD is to cast a song and let it sit while you shoot arrows. So what are you doing 90% of the time? Arrows. Not the focus (music), heart gone.

Still fixating on XI by the looks of things. Also, the correct term is "let's" or "let us".

If that is your concept of BRD then I wouldn't want you in my party. A good BRD casts Minuet or Paeon on the melee, decides whether the mages need Ballad or Minuet at certain points of the fight, while continuing to provide curing support or DD. The job is extremely supportive, and a good BRD will know this.

A BRD with a bow, is I agree not that far-fetched. But when you look at the ability set of the bard in 1.0, its not Bard with bow, its an archer with a few songs. The focus is in the wrong place (if 90% of the spells were songs and you sung/played music a lot and happened to use a bow when silenced or something - sure why not).

An advanced job is limited to 5 abilities at lvl 50. 4 of those 5 abilities are songs. In total, BRD has 4 songs, on top of an archer's skillset which already has one, which is actually quite a substantial amount when you compare the advanced skills in other jobs. (WHM for example makes CNJ go from a nuker/support to a full party healer).

Like a blackmage with a dagger is fine, but 90% of his skills shouldnt be shanking - thats a rogue with black magic lol

You are comparing a specialist to a hybrid/support. A fairer comparison would be something such as WAR. MRD has very few standalone hate generation abilities, and it is not until they become their advanced job that their hate generating abilities start to show.

Edit:
Also keeping in mind that because we have a class system we (it seems) only get one weapon per job and the weapon that makes the most sense for a Final Fantasy Bard is an instrument - because that has been his instrument in all the others, also just because its an instrument doesn't mean he is now useless - like geomancer uses a bell but he is pretty badass.

A summoner gets a book. What is your point? BRD is in a good place, it is a supportive party buff / low demand healer / DD. It still holds its identity with 5 of those abilities being party buff songs. Turning BRD in a complete "magey" class or job will make more people unhappy then it would make happy. You are effectively changing the hybrid/support ranged DPS into a hybrid spellcaster. If you want to play a supportive job that uses spells to deal damage and buff the party - play Summoner.

It could have done ranged attacks with musical instruments too like edwin did from FFIV, unlike XI's bard who just sang and couldn't do anything else. The concept wouldn't have to change - sing/play a song that buffs the party, then commence attacking. It just wouldn't be with a bow.

XI can do damage via songs, and cast enfeebs etc - but these were not used because it was proven to be quite ineffective. A standard ranged DPS is a much cleaner way to implement the job into a progressive fight.

And to the above pictures, you can post pictures of a bard using 50 different weapons, and you can do the same thing with every other class in this game. Doesn't really make a difference, lest I go find some pictures of paladins and 2 handed Swords/Axes/Maces, Crossbows, daggers, handaxes, handmaces, staves, and we can discuss some changes there as well.

Simply, the FINAL FANTASY bard is musical instruments for combat.

Of course I can, because we are indeed playing a fantasy game. The devs can do what they like with the job / role, and they have already defined how the role is going to be played. If it is just a graphical thing to you, go find a .dat swap and change bows to pretty flutes and golden harps for all we care. As long as the role is not redefined for your fantasies to become a wussy little miqo that paints rainbows and blows pipes.

[Reika]

XI can do damage via songs, and cast enfeebs etc - but these were not used because it was proven to be quite ineffective. A standard ranged DPS is a much cleaner way to implement the job into a progressive fight.

Of course you would think I meant exacly like in XI. No. Edwins attack in IV was a musical note that flew from him to the enemy and did damage, thats why I keep using him as the example of a good model for XIV's bard. A ranged attack with music would be no different than ranged attack with a bow. ARR's bow attacks are AA, Harp/whatever ranged attack would be AA. Same thing with Harp/whatever related weaponskills. The difference is Harp/whatever is more bard than bow.

[Altena]

Of course you would think I meant exacly like in XI. No. Edwins attack in IV was a musical note that flew from him to the enemy and did damage, thats why I keep using him as the example of a good model for XIV's bard. A ranged attack with music would be no different than ranged attack with a bow. ARR's bow attacks are AA, Harp/whatever ranged attack would be AA. Same thing with Harp/whatever related weaponskills. The difference is Harp/whatever is more bard than bow.

For the sake of your graphical preference to a job that's already effective, you would make a lot of current BRDs happy. Build an Artemis, then you can have your harp. Again, I would rather shoot stuff to singing an enemy to death.

BRD isn't changing anyway. /end thread derail.