Musketeer Needs a Job

[Altena]

You keep repeating FFXI and I've never mentioned it.


ALL FF but FFXIV Bards used instruments. Also FFXI example of Bard doesn't mean FFXIV has to -play- the same way, but the ideas should be the same. Like Chocobo changes -a little- but the general concept is the same. This time around they could have done a more interactive system - instead they decided to take the heart of the job out.


Paladins use swords and shields and armor and use white magic and tank, all of these things we expect. We dont play FF (or at least I dont) to find Dragoon to be unable to jump or a Ninja unable to duel wield. FF lives on iconic design, FFXIV Bard is not.

Your point is extremely watery. In single player RPG's you have the freedom of playing multiple characters at the same time. In an MMO you do not. A class that sings a song once every 2 mins then idles during a fight is not engaging and is often a job people forcibly play for the party's success.

You then go on to say you haven't mentioned FFXI, then follow up with a statement about FFXI. The heart of the job is not lost, as a primary focus of the 1.0 BRD is indeed songs, the only difference is you have some effective means of fighting combat as well as singing songs. A BRD with a bow is not that far-fetched.




Those are 2 quick examples in google search.

[Shougun]

Your point is extremely watery. In single player RPG's you have the freedom of playing multiple characters at the same time. In an MMO you do not. A class that sings a song once every 2 mins then idles during a fight is not engaging and is often a job people forcibly play for the party's success.

You then go on to say you haven't mentioned FFXI, then follow up with a statement about FFXI. The heart of the job is not lost, as a primary focus of the 1.0 BRD is indeed songs, the only difference is you have some effective means of fighting combat as well as singing songs. A BRD with a bow is not that far-fetched.

Seriously. Stop.

You guys and FFXI. Do you have no creativity? Can you not think that bard spells are spells and that you can make him like a mage (rather then cast one and watch)? Or work out interactive AoE spells in combination perhaps making songs in circle zones, buff stacking and patterns? Seriously enough with the 2 min sit and watch examples.


Stop fixating on FFXI, almost every class was boring in FFXI imo (too slow for me personally I'm a little twitchy- which would be why I liked blue mage >.>).


Also I didnt mention FFXI until after I said I didnt- so the sequence is correct lets not argue semantics and grammatical structure. A primary focus on ARC/BRD is to cast a song and let it sit while you shoot arrows. So what are you doing 90% of the time? Arrows. Not the focus (music), heart gone.


A BRD with a bow, is I agree not that far-fetched. But when you look at the ability set of the bard in 1.0, its not Bard with bow, its an archer with a few songs. The focus is in the wrong place (if 90% of the spells were songs and you sung/played music a lot and happened to use a bow when silenced or something - sure why not).


Like a blackmage with a dagger is fine, but 90% of his skills shouldnt be shanking - thats a rogue with black magic lol

Edit:
Also keeping in mind that because we have a class system we (it seems) only get one weapon per job and the weapon that makes the most sense for a Final Fantasy Bard is an instrument - because that has been his weapon in all the others, also just because its an instrument doesn't mean he is now useless - like geomancer uses a bell but he is pretty badass.