Musketeer Needs a Job

[Felis]

Most people are predicting that Musketeers would be red mages due to the french motif that both of them symbolize (Rdm uses rapiers and feather hats, Musketeers... the name itself).

I never know that RDM used muskets, too.

A musketeer (French: mousquetaire) was an early modern type of infantry soldier equipped with a musket.

I think a fencer suit the RDM better than a class with a gun.

[dbrewer225]

SE dont you dare change a on bard. I like how bards can DD and support instead ff11 bard where it just sings songs and go afk for 2 mins. lol that sounds real fun. also gotta love the new whm. Especially on garuda where whm can actually DD in that fight. And yes bards do come from rogue/thief. I think what Yoshida is trying to do is stray away from ff11 mechanics and give ff14 a different identity. So everybody thats keeps saying bard needs to be like ff11 bard need to adjust to the times. If not then this game is not for you or you will be left behind. Gotta learn to adjust.

[Shougun]

SE dont you dare change a on bard. I like how bards can DD and support instead ff11 bard where it just sings songs and go afk for 2 mins. lol that sounds real fun. also gotta love the new whm. Especially on garuda where whm can actually DD in that fight. And yes bards do come from rogue/thief. I think what Yoshida is trying to do is stray away from ff11 mechanics and give ff14 a different identity. So everybody thats keeps saying bard needs to be like ff11 bard need to adjust to the times. If not then this game is not for you or you will be left behind. Gotta learn to adjust.

You keep repeating FFXI and I've never mentioned it.


ALL FF but FFXIV Bards used instruments. Also FFXI example of Bard doesn't mean FFXIV has to -play- the same way, but the ideas should be the same. Like Chocobo changes -a little- but the general concept is the same. This time around they could have done a more interactive system - instead they decided to take the heart of the job out.


Paladins use swords and shields and armor and use white magic and tank, all of these things we expect. We dont play FF (or at least I dont) to find Dragoon to be unable to jump or a Ninja unable to duel wield. FF lives on iconic design, FFXIV Bard is not.


Also while I linked Vincent as a Musketeer Red Mage, I do think Red Mage should come from a Fencer or at least his main weapon is such. Corsair makes the most sense to come from the Musketeer :P

[Felis]

Another good job for musketeer would be sky pirate ^^

I want my own pirate airship

[Altena]

You keep repeating FFXI and I've never mentioned it.


ALL FF but FFXIV Bards used instruments. Also FFXI example of Bard doesn't mean FFXIV has to -play- the same way, but the ideas should be the same. Like Chocobo changes -a little- but the general concept is the same. This time around they could have done a more interactive system - instead they decided to take the heart of the job out.


Paladins use swords and shields and armor and use white magic and tank, all of these things we expect. We dont play FF (or at least I dont) to find Dragoon to be unable to jump or a Ninja unable to duel wield. FF lives on iconic design, FFXIV Bard is not.

Your point is extremely watery. In single player RPG's you have the freedom of playing multiple characters at the same time. In an MMO you do not. A class that sings a song once every 2 mins then idles during a fight is not engaging and is often a job people forcibly play for the party's success.

You then go on to say you haven't mentioned FFXI, then follow up with a statement about FFXI. The heart of the job is not lost, as a primary focus of the 1.0 BRD is indeed songs, the only difference is you have some effective means of fighting combat as well as singing songs. A BRD with a bow is not that far-fetched.




Those are 2 quick examples in google search.

[Shougun]

Your point is extremely watery. In single player RPG's you have the freedom of playing multiple characters at the same time. In an MMO you do not. A class that sings a song once every 2 mins then idles during a fight is not engaging and is often a job people forcibly play for the party's success.

You then go on to say you haven't mentioned FFXI, then follow up with a statement about FFXI. The heart of the job is not lost, as a primary focus of the 1.0 BRD is indeed songs, the only difference is you have some effective means of fighting combat as well as singing songs. A BRD with a bow is not that far-fetched.

Seriously. Stop.

You guys and FFXI. Do you have no creativity? Can you not think that bard spells are spells and that you can make him like a mage (rather then cast one and watch)? Or work out interactive AoE spells in combination perhaps making songs in circle zones, buff stacking and patterns? Seriously enough with the 2 min sit and watch examples.


Stop fixating on FFXI, almost every class was boring in FFXI imo (too slow for me personally I'm a little twitchy- which would be why I liked blue mage >.>).


Also I didnt mention FFXI until after I said I didnt- so the sequence is correct lets not argue semantics and grammatical structure. A primary focus on ARC/BRD is to cast a song and let it sit while you shoot arrows. So what are you doing 90% of the time? Arrows. Not the focus (music), heart gone.


A BRD with a bow, is I agree not that far-fetched. But when you look at the ability set of the bard in 1.0, its not Bard with bow, its an archer with a few songs. The focus is in the wrong place (if 90% of the spells were songs and you sung/played music a lot and happened to use a bow when silenced or something - sure why not).


Like a blackmage with a dagger is fine, but 90% of his skills shouldnt be shanking - thats a rogue with black magic lol

Edit:
Also keeping in mind that because we have a class system we (it seems) only get one weapon per job and the weapon that makes the most sense for a Final Fantasy Bard is an instrument - because that has been his weapon in all the others, also just because its an instrument doesn't mean he is now useless - like geomancer uses a bell but he is pretty badass.

[dbrewer225]

shogun im still not getting what your saying. you dont want bard to fight just do songs?? help me out here on this.

[Shougun]

shogun im still not getting what your saying. you dont want bard to fight just do songs?? help me out here on this.

I want the bard to have its focus on songs, such that he is playing all the time (or at least almost). I would be interested in creative mechanics based around music like letting him set up musical zones that he can control tempo to by adding songs- or something that has to do with music and add waves. So a mage mechanic unique to bards would be cool - rather then a black mage or white mage Bard works in his own way.


There are many ways you could make the Bard offensive and use an instrument. I have no problem with the bard being able to hit monsters with a screeching sonic blast - but I have a problem when I watch the "bard" in my party being a "ranger" (and its not their choice, their bard spells you just cast once and let sit and their archer spells you cast over and over).


So in sense, yes do songs - but not exactly like FFXI.

Edit:

Or like Reika suggested- just make the instrument attack. You dont need to make a special mechanic like I was suggesting lol (not that I would be against classes with unique systems)

[Reika]

shogun im still not getting what your saying. you dont want bard to fight just do songs?? help me out here on this.

It could have done ranged attacks with musical instruments too like edwin did from FFIV, unlike XI's bard who just sang and couldn't do anything else. The concept wouldn't have to change - sing/play a song that buffs the party, then commence attacking. It just wouldn't be with a bow.

And to the above pictures, you can post pictures of a bard using 50 different weapons, and you can do the same thing with every other class in this game. Doesn't really make a difference, lest I go find some pictures of paladins and 2 handed Swords/Axes/Maces, Crossbows, daggers, handaxes, handmaces, staves, and we can discuss some changes there as well.

Simply, the FINAL FANTASY bard is musical instruments for combat, mainly the harp.

[Duelle]

Most people are predicting that Musketeers would be red mages due to the french motif that both of them symbolize (Rdm uses rapiers and feather hats, Musketeers... the name itself).

Except the motif of the french musketeer is not anywhere close to how Limsa's military dresses and thus doesn't fit their aesthetic. It would look really out of place.

It could have Hide as its job command like edwin did from FFIV

Fixed.

And to the above pictures, you can post pictures of a bard using 50 different weapons, and you can do the same thing with every other class in this game. Doesn't really make a difference, lest I go find some pictures of paladins and 2 handed Swords/Axes/Maces, Crossbows, daggers, handaxes, handmaces, staves, and we can discuss some changes there as well.

Simply, the FINAL FANTASY bard is musical instruments for combat, mainly the harp.

Considering XI's PLD was able to use almost the same number of weapons as WAR before they changed that, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to see a PLD with an axe or mace. The axe would look iffy because I find axes to be a little barbaric, but I can let that slide. I got overly used to paladins and maces because of WoW, so that's not much of a stretch either.

This being said, the XI's Bard was also stupidly rare and gave way to the princess bard because its gameplay was something few were actually willing to put themselves through. If built-in DPS options with a bow (not to mention returning the bard to its status as a badass instead of the pansy we got used to in the FF series) helps get people to play the job, I say we win as a whole in the end. Even moreso if encounter balance will take having a BRD in-party into account, as chances are party leaders won't be killing each other just so they can have the sole bard in LFG join their group.
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On topic, Corsair. That's really the job that would make most sense.