Class Request: Necromancer

[Enkidoh]

I really don't like the "Necromancer" style job.. Although it would be wrong to deprive the fans of it if it really is in the THM lore.

I just really don't like the idea of a "hero" playing a traditionally "evil" job. Raising ghosts/skeletons etc from the dead is just too grim and dark for a "hero" to play I feel.. I would be open to a dungeon boss that has necromancer like abilities though..

You basically summed it up for me - necromancy is a dark, evil art which is contextually at odds with the game's central theme. This isn't World of Warcraft where players can choose an 'evil' or 'good' side - we're all meant to be on the side of 'good' here, so playing as an evil mage who can raise an army of the undead just doesn't sit with that.

Besides, lore wise the game would actually give reason for such a power to be despised - it's not too dissimilar to the Garleans wanting to wipe out the 'beastmen' (and those with the Echo) for summoning Primals. If theoretically Eorzean adventurers could use necromancy, then that's virtually just vindicating Garlemald's 'end justifies the means' policy of assaulting Eorzea to destroy anything that they could consider a threat.

Hence, those wanting a Necromancer job in FFXIV (or hell, even in FFXI for that matter), don't hold your breath.

[Andrien]

I really don't like the "Necromancer" style job.. Although it would be wrong to deprive the fans of it if it really is in the THM lore.

I just really don't like the idea of a "hero" playing a traditionally "evil" job. Raising ghosts/skeletons etc from the dead is just too grim and dark for a "hero" to play I feel.. I would be open to a dungeon boss that has necromancer like abilities though..

You basically summed it up for me - necromancy is a dark, evil art which is contextually at odds with the game's central theme. This isn't World of Warcraft where players can choose an 'evil' or 'good' side - we're all meant to be on the side of 'good' here, so playing as an evil mage who can raise an army of the undead just doesn't sit with that.

Besides, lore wise the game would actually give reason for such a power to be despised - it's not too dissimilar to the Garleans wanting to wipe out the 'beastmen' (and those with the Echo) for summoning Primals. If theoretically Eorzean adventurers could use necromancy, then that's virtually just vindicating Garlemald's 'end justifies the means' policy of assaulting Eorzea to destroy anything that they could consider a threat.

Hence, those wanting a Necromancer job in FFXIV (or hell, even in FFXI for that matter), don't hold your breath.

I'm compelled to shed some light, and wisdom on you both.

Please consider these irrefutable facts.

FFXIV Summoner job description. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/about/game/jobs/summoner

"The beast tribes of Eorzea worship and summon forth beings known as primals, among which are Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan. Yet what is a god to one man is a demon to another, for the city-states of Eorzea see these beings as a grave threat to their collective survival."

That is not exactly your rainbow, peaches, and unicorns is it..? Summoner is a forbidden art, just like Necromancer.

To top it all off, Necromancer is an advance job in FF5 Advance. Not just a WoW thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en4tgl0ZAPY


I don't mind if Necromancer makes it way in FFXIV, in fact I want it in FFXIV, but it'll be a damn shame if it didn't. There are other jobs I don't care about leveling, but the difference is that I don't deny them of their existence. I really think people should welcome new things that will appeal to many different players as possible.

[Enkidoh]

There are other jobs I don't care about leveling, but the difference is that I don't deny them of their existence. I really think people should welcome new things that will appeal to many different players as possible.

That's fair enough, but just chucking a class/Job into the game because it's 'often requested' without taking into account how well it may or may not actually work or fit into the game's environment and setting would really just be fanbaiting, and would also be essentially repeating history ala 1.0 (basically a 'make it and they will come' mentality) - something Yoshida is extremely keen to avoid at all costs, rightly so.

As SE have stated in the past they're not going to be adding Necromancer to the game shows that Yoshi-P and his colleagues have thought this through and come to the same conclusion I did - that the class just won't work in FFXIV.

[Andrien]

That's fair enough, but just chucking a class/Job into the game because it's 'often requested' without taking into account how well it may or may not actually work or fit into the game's environment and setting would really just be fanbaiting, and would also be essentially repeating history ala 1.0 (basically a 'make it and they will come' mentality) - something Yoshida is extremely keen to avoid at all costs, rightly so.

As SE have stated in the past they're not going to be adding Necromancer to the game shows that Yoshi-P and his colleagues have thought this through and come to the same conclusion I did - that the class just won't work in FFXIV.

That's fair enough, but just chucking a class/Job into the game because it's 'often requested' without taking into account how well it may or may not actually work or fit into the game's environment

There is already Necromancy lore in FFXIV. Thaumaturge is based on its storyline, so the game lore supports it. Also, Ul'dah fought in the past against a city which used raised zombies as soldiers.

As SE have stated in the past they're not going to be adding Necromancer to the game shows that Yoshi-P and his colleagues have thought this through and come to the same conclusion I did - that the class just won't work in FFXIV.

Can you provide any source to prove this?