/Yell & Rmt counter measure

[strallaalaa]

i would love a straight out server wide shout. makes it easier to get things together. i hate when you need to sit in town to get a party or make one. don't see why they gotta make it map/zone only anyway.

[Soukyuu]

There should be some key words that will flag GMs to check you out and see if your RMT.

Gil.Money,$,Cash,Sell,Buy, URL links, /?????/????.com etc.

Filters are rather easy to avoid as a human, so they are useless. All they do is make the life harder for legit players.

i would love a straight out server wide shout. makes it easier to get things together. i hate when you need to sit in town to get a party or make one.

That's not the job of the shout channel. You have 2 different systems for that in 1.0 and ARR will have the content finder.

Actually, I don't see the use of a "global" chat except for spamming your chat log with useless chatter.

[Wolfie]

That's not the job of the shout channel. You have 2 different systems for that in 1.0 and ARR will have the content finder.

Actually, I don't see the use of a "global" chat except for spamming your chat log with useless chatter.

Global channels are useful for many things, including having a proactive party/LS/FC/trade search, instead of passive systems like content finder, party finder, and MW/AH. If you don't see the use for global channels, I don't know what to tell you.

They're also completely optional, so if you really think they're spammy, you don't have to use them.

[Soukyuu]

Global channels are useful for many things, including having a proactive party/LS/FC/trade search, instead of passive systems like content finder, party finder, and MW/AH. If you don't see the use for global channels, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't see why there is a need for a proactive party search. That would mean the content finder isn't doing it's job. As for LS/FC, it's a matter of opinion. Some prefer shouting for random people, some invite people after they got to know them a bit. Trading... there are market wards/AH for that. If people want the item, they will go there, shouting doesn't magically make someone want your stuff.

edit: the thing with it being optional... once you disable it and someone uses it expecting you to use it too, it will end up in "Y U NO LISTEN?!" misunderstandings. And having to turn it on/off all the time is a bother.

[Wolfie]

I don't see why there is a need for a proactive party search. That would mean the content finder isn't doing it's job. As for LS/FC, it's a matter of opinion. Some prefer shouting for random people, some invite people after they got to know them a bit. Trading... there are market wards/AH for that. If people want the item, they will go there, shouting doesn't magically make someone want your stuff.

Because with a proactive search you can potentially target people who aren't actively using these other systems but would still like to do whatever it is that you're searching about. There are numerous times in WOW where I've join people on group quests, raids, PVP, and whatever else because someone asked about it in zone or global chat. It's also used to set up "pre-made" battleground and dungeon groups, instead of relying on randoms from the cross realm dungeon/raid/PVP finder.

And it also has invaluable use for people who don't know what to do in a game, because they can just ask zone/global chat about something, and get an answer right away, instead of having to dig through fansite guides or wait on forum posts.

Let me ask you this, why are you so against a feature that is optional?

[IloveYouPumpkin]

Because with a proactive search you can potentially target people who aren't actively using these other systems but would still like to do whatever it is that you're searching about. There are numerous times in WOW where I've join people on group quests, raids, PVP, and whatever else because someone asked about it in zone or global chat. It's also used to set up "pre-made" battleground and dungeon groups, instead of relying on randoms from the cross realm dungeon/raid/PVP finder.

And it also has invaluable use for people who don't know what to do in a game, because they can just ask zone/global chat about something, and get an answer right away, instead of having to dig through fansite guides or wait on forum posts.

Let me ask you this, why are you so against a feature that is optional?

This can't be argued. This post is simply fact. ^

I've gotten groups thanks to trade chat when I couldn't via content finder. Happens all the time. People just don't always use content finder yet are willing to join you if asked or if they see you in chat.

Make it an optional room though, not something you're forced to see. Sometimes you just want peace and quiet.

the thing with it being optional... once you disable it and someone uses it expecting you to use it too, it will end up in "Y U NO LISTEN?!" misunderstandings. And having to turn it on/off all the time is a bother.

Pros outweigh cons in my opinion.

[Kyri]

Let me ask you this, why are you so against a feature that is optional?

Tera Gw2 PW just turned me off it -that- bad I guess. I really hated it><

[Wolfie]

Tera Gw2 PW just turned me off it -that- bad I guess. I really hated it><

I didn't play enough of TERA to play around with chat channels, but practically every (good) MMO with chat channels have them as optional things that you can leave and join from anywhere at any time.

[Shougun]

edit: the thing with it being optional... once you disable it and someone uses it expecting you to use it too, it will end up in "Y U NO LISTEN?!" misunderstandings. And having to turn it on/off all the time is a bother.

I dont think people will expect you to have the global chat on, if you are trying to talk to -one- person through global chat.. you're doing it wrong.

Ah yeah. I remember back when Ps2 FFXI came out someone complained about having their mule banned because the name 'no' was offensive to JP. The user didn't have time to move his inventory out of his mule and lost everything that was stored on that character.

I think Wolife hit it in the head with that sue thing, because while GMs responded quickly I remember some pretty big tyrants as well. So SE was probably like "yeah... this isnt going to happen again, you just got permanerfed"
(Just want to make sure everyone knows I'm not saying all the GMs where / are like this, just the bad of a few spoiled it for all)

There WAS actually a class action lawsuit filed against SE/an FFXI GM because he mistreated someone with dyslexia. It may be related to that, but I don't know what the timeline for it was. All I can tell you is that FFXI's and FFXIV's GMs have been completely useless to me from start to finish, on both games.

[Ralos]

Global channels are useful for many things, including having a proactive party/LS/FC/trade search, instead of passive systems like content finder, party finder, and MW/AH. If you don't see the use for global channels, I don't know what to tell you.

They're also completely optional, so if you really think they're spammy, you don't have to use them.

My problem with chats like this is I don't want to filter them out because I want to be able to look for the useful messages, but I don't want to spammed with the useless blather that starts to happen.

I spent plenty of nights in uldah watching for dungeon runs/xp pts/quests shouts/mission shouts/etc. only to have my chat log filled with the retarded shout conversations people like to take part in because they find it humorous.

Was the chat itself funny? sure. The fact that it was happening over the shout chat? not so much.