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  1. #591
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder View Post
    lol Well, that's your opinion. Just as it's my opinion to find that you actually got angry at my statements (despite your denial), which was really unnecessary. But hey, perspectives vary from person to person.
    It's funny that you feel entitled to think that you know what other people feel better then them. But after all you feel entitled to call them crybabies, whiners and other not so flattering adjectives, so why am I surprised?

    But it is truth if it's factual. So, yeah. lol
    Only it isn't. Your opinions aren't facts just because you say they are.

    Except those who feel that they should automatically get in because of their veteran status. Which is not justified. As that is not what SE stated. Get it?
    That's an extremely rare issue. Most people here are displeased because SE allowed in people with an inactive account.

    And even those rare cases in which people think that legacy status should grant them alpha access aren't necessarily whiners or crybabies. The concept of customer loyalty being rewarded is in no way out of this world or illogical.

    It's actually deeply ingrained in the basic rules of commerce, and companies use it to their advantage all the time, Square Enix included.

    Whether you agree or disagree, you're in no position to insult them. Mind you, as per forum rules, you're in no position to insult *anyone*.

    And you continue to ignore the fact that perspective and judgment is needed in these cases to determine whether a blinder is a serious, dangerous, red-alert one or one that can easily be handled without too much trouble. If a car has a flat tire, that is a problem. But you can still use the car if you change the flat. No need to declare the car unusable from that day forth, and no need to stand there grumbling about how disastrous things would be if the car had four flat tires or blew up or something.
    Only that no one declared the car unusable. The strawman arguments and the unfitting comparisons are getting more and more tedious.

    WHEN. IT. COMES.
    lol. No. Planning for risk factors in advance is a crucial part of running a business. Companies that deal with problems "when they come" don't last very long.

    Dealing with the problem when it comes is exactly one of the factors that got us FFXIV 1.0.

    They gave wrong info about how a closed alpha was to be handled. Not really as big a deal as you would like to believe it is. Not nearly. Not even slightly. lol Companies sould always assume a degree of risk, yes. Companies should also have enough perspective to know the difference between horrible, un-fixable mistake and slight, hardly worth dwelling on blunder.
    You're minimizing the problem. Tanaka did as well.

    Not at all. I'm just calling crybabies and whiners crybabies and whiners. If they don't like it, maybe they should stop crying and whining. Blunt, rough, even unkind as it may be, truth often is that way.
    I believe you should review the forum rules. Insulting people is not kosher, no matter how much you think that those terms apply to them. You're not entitled to break the rules.

    I don't really think I can explain it in easier terms than this.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-28-2012 at 12:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    It's funny that you feel entitled to think that you know what other people feel better then them. But after all you feel entitled to call them crybabies, whiners and other not so flattering adjectives, so why am I surprised?
    Yeah yeah, you're just "ticked off" in a calm way. Well actually, you only said "ticked" because you're "tickeld pink". lol You're the calm version of "ticked off". Yeah, whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Only it isn't.?
    Only to those in denial. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    That's an extremely rare issue. Most people here are displeased because SE allowed in people with an inactive account.
    "Rare issue"? Dude, try reading the forums sometime. It will definately bring you up to speed. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    And even those rare cases in which people think that legacy status should grant them alpha access aren't necessarily whiners or crybabies. The concept of customer loyalty being rewarded is in no way out of this world or illogical.
    But feeling entitled to rewards for some reason you yourself made up in your own head is. And when you whine when you don't get it, you're a whiner. And a crybaby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You're in no position to insult them. Mind you, as per forum rules, you're in no position to insult *anyone*.
    There's a difference between "insulting someone" and pointing out the truth. People crying over not getting something no one at SE said they were entitled to anyway are being whiners and crybabies. (shrug)

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Only that no one declared the car unusable. The strawman arguments and the unfitting comparisons are getting more and more tedious.
    LOl As is your obvious inability to get the point before it sails way over your head. (and it's getting funnier as well) My point is, it's wise to keep things in perspective. A mistake by a company can be devastating. But if it's not, it's best to deal with it in such a matter. You keep bringing up what "might" happen or what "could" happen, and no one disputes that serious mistakes can be made, and can be damaging. My point is, SE's blunder is not as serious as you are pretending it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    lol. No. Planning for risk factors in advance is a crucial part of running a business. Companies that deal with problems "when they come" don't last very long.
    And companies that blow a blunder out of proportion and deal with it accordingly waste time when they could be focusing on something more important. Which is just as potentially devestating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Dealing with the problem when it comes is exactly one of the factors that got us FFXIV 1.0.
    Different situation. The game was atrocious when it first came out. We're talking about misinformation about alpha testing invites. Which isn't a big deal. Really, it's not. lol



    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You're minimizing the problem. Tanaka did as well.
    Actually, I'm minimizng "this" problem. Most everyone else is as well. Because, well, it's not a big deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    I believe you should review the forum rules. Insulting people is not kosher, no matter how much you think that those terms applying to them entitles you to break the rules.
    People are being whiny crybabies. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, I'm calling it a duck. (shrug) Deal with it. lol
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    All this over a "Crashy/time Restrictive/getting told what to do" Alpha Test.. *Three Cheers for the NA Community!*
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    Has anyone else had an issue with the Alpha Sign up? I keep getting an error code saying Different Region every time I try and get to the form.
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    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm running out of popcorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    All this over a "Crashy/time Restrictive/getting told what to do" Alpha Test.. *Three Cheers for the NA Community!*
    Hip hip, hooray!

    Hip hip, hooray!

    Hip hip, hooray!

    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusosuki View Post
    Has anyone else had an issue with the Alpha Sign up? I keep getting an error code saying Different Region every time I try and get to the form.
    I got that after re-trying to apply to see if i got the "this account already applied" to feel safer ..idk whats up with that
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  8. #598
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder View Post
    Yeah yeah, you're just "ticked off" in a calm way. Well actually, you only said "ticked" because you're "tickeld pink". lol You're the calm version of "ticked off". Yeah, whatever.
    Quite calm. You may want to notice that despite you continuing to miss the point, to misrepresent my opinion and to generally derail the discussion over and over, I'm not insulting you. While you are indeed insulting others. And standing by your alleged "right" to continue insulting them (which, believe me, is utterly hilarious).

    Guess I'm not the angry one here.

    Only to those in denial. lol
    Claiming that those that deny the factual nature of your claims are "in denial" doesn't make them more factual.

    "Rare issue"? Dude, try reading the forums sometime. It will definately bring you up to speed. lol
    I believe my post count and yours shows quite clearly who needs to read the forums more.

    ... or maybe who needs to read them less... >_>

    But feeling entitled to rewards for some reason you yourself made up in your own head is. And when you whine when you don't get it, you're a whiner. And a crybaby.
    No, they're individuals that have been educated by companies (SE Included) over the years to the concept that customer loyalty is to be rewarded, which is, mind you, a quite logical and balanced concept.

    There's a difference between "insulting someone" and pointing out the truth. People crying over not getting something no one at SE said they were entitled to anyway are being whiners and crybabies. (shrug)
    Is funny how you claim you're not insulting people, and you continue to stress on those insults in the same sentence. "whiner" "crybaby" and the like are all derogatory remarks. As such they're factually insults. You should refrain from them.

    LOl As is your obvious inability to get the point before it sails way over your head. (and it's getting funnier as well) My point is, it's wise to keep things in perspective. A mistake by a company can be devastating. But if it's not, it's best to deal with it in such a matter. You keep bringing up what "might" happen or what "could" happen, and no one disputes that serious mistakes can be made, and can be damaging. My point is, SE's blunder is not as serious as you are pretending it is.
    The little fact that you're missing is that no one is pretending anything. You're continuing to try and refute a point that no one argued. It's a blunder. Serious or not, it's besides the point. Blunders should be avoided.

    And companies that blow a blunder out of proportion and deal with it accordingly waste time when they could be focusing on something more important. Which is just as potentially devestating.
    Why, I believe you're in no position to assess SE's resources, and to decide whether they have the time to amend whatever mistake they make.

    I'll give you a hint: they have a PR department and plenty community managers exactly for that purpose. "wasting" their time can hardly be "devastating". That's what they're paid for.

    Different situation. The game was atrocious when it first came out. We're talking about misinformation about alpha testing invites. Which isn't a big deal. Really, it's not. lol
    You are aware that you saying that something isn't a big deal "really" doesn't make it so, right?

    People are being whiny crybabies. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, I'm calling it a duck. (shrug) Deal with it. lol
    In a discussion forum in which the rules state clearly that demeaning others isn't allowed, it remains disallowed no matter how much you *think* it's justified.

    The rules don't state "be polite and respectful to others unless they deserve a thrashing". They state "be polite and respectful to others" period.

    Quote Originally Posted by LlenCoram View Post
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm running out of popcorn.
    i'll share what's left of mine. There's only so many times even the most patient person can try to explain the same very basic concepts before he gets bored.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 11-28-2012 at 12:43 PM.

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    *Blows whistle!* TIMEOUT!! Abriael to one room, and Skye on the Other room! Now meditate and be calm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    *Blows whistle!* TIMEOUT!! Abriael to one room, and Skye on the Other room! Now meditate and be calm.
    Oh, I'm perfectly calm, while utterly bored.
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