Global Alpha Test Start Date

[Abriael]

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I'll refrain from going on and on about people's motives, as we obviously have different standpoints here. I'll just tell that when you call people "whiners" and "crybabies" and "butthurt" (what a bad word... using it really makes a post irritating), you're being confrontational and insulting, and I doubt you think that your alleged "judgement of people's motives" skill is infallible. If you do... well. That's more your problem than mine.

Choice of words is always important, and walking around with a can of gasoline in a foundry isn't exactly what I'd consider sensible, but to each his own.

And I still don't think this is one of those cases, lol. Just mho.

-Only active accounts are eligible.
-A bunch of people with inactive accounts get into the alpha.

I'm sure it's not hard to notice the contradiction between the two elements above.

Interesting metaphor, but not really all that accurate, since I highly doubt that some misinformation about alpha is gonna be the death of the game. Again, just my humble $0.02.

Strawman argument warning: No one argued that it's gonna be the "death of the game". That kind of negative press is damaging, whether it's a little or a lot depends on how widespread and on the issue at hand. But a developer has to try and avoid it when it can. And in this case it definitely was avoidable.

Just look at how some of the press just tried to raise a stink about the same gender marriage issue. Luckily it kind of fizzled because the spotlight on the game ain't intense enough, but they sure did try (the funnies thing is that they ALL noticed it eight days later than Yoshida mentioned it, way to be on top of the news lol).

[Elexia]

Totally agree, and you have no idea on how many think the opposite, feeling that day 1 DLCs are "immoral", and as such they need to lower the score of the game from a moral standpoint.

It's hilarious, I know.

It really is immoral to charge people to access data on that $60-$70 game they purchased. I can understand separate DLC since it can extend and enhance your purchase, but when you get into Capcom realm and the like, you can't defend that nor can you deny it's immoral and shady business practices.

Day 1 DLC is fine if ts not data you already purchased, so rating it down based on that alone isn't a good thing, but if its Day 1 DLC for extra $ to something significant already on the disk? Yep, I agree with rating on a moral standpoint, I already dropped $60-$70 on a game, why do I need to pay $5-$20 more to access data already on the disk?

[Heavell]

In regards to future additions, we will be testing phase 3 stability until December 2, and would like to add testers from December 3. Also, in order to address stress created from adding testers, we will be opening the third Alpha Test world on December 3, even though this was not the original plan.

way to go Yoshi-P, you are awesome

[Abriael]

It really is immoral to charge people to access data on that $60-$70 game they purchased. I can understand separate DLC since it can extend and enhance your purchase, but when you get into Capcom realm and the like, you can't defend that nor can you deny it's immoral and shady business practices.

Day 1 DLC is fine if ts not data you already purchased, so rating it down based on that alone isn't a good thing, but if its Day 1 DLC for extra $ to something significant already on the disk? Yep, I agree with rating on a moral standpoint, I already dropped $60-$70 on a game, why do I need to pay $5-$20 more to access data already on the disk?

Whether it's immoral or not depends on how you see the issue. For each game we have no idea if a DLC has been ripped off from the game just to make more coin, or the company simply created it separately, investing money for a further team and assets to create it, and selling it as a separate product studied as that from the beginning.

The fact that it's already on the disk is not really relevant, as putting content on the disk is just a matter of convenience.

In any case, whether it's immoral or not, it's beyond the issue. It's not a reviewer's role to be the vigilante of the industry's morals. We have to judge games on what they are, and for the content they have, not for the content we believe should be included at no charge.

If a game provides a good amount of content, it should be judged as such, regardless of DLCs. On the other hand, if a game provides an insufficient amount of content, it should be judged negatively, no matter the DLC policy.

Mentioning our opinion about it is fine, mind you, but it shouldn't influence the overall judgement or score, that should be related exclusively to the quality of the product we review.

[YeaniNah]

I need the alpha invite .. My doctor said if i don't get it i'll die in 24hour *whistle while looking in the air crossing finger* lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Warlock]

I'll refrain from going on and on about people's motives, as we obviously have different standpoints here. I'll just tell that when you call people "whiners" and "crybabies" and "butthurt" (what a bad word... using it really makes a post irritating), you're being confrontational and insulting, and I doubt you think that your alleged "judgement of people's motives" skill is infallible. If you do... well. That's more your problem than mine.

Choice of words is always important, and walking around with a can of gasoline in a foundry isn't exactly what I'd consider sensible, but to each his own.



-Only active accounts are eligible.
-A bunch of people with inactive accounts get into the alpha.

I'm sure it's not hard to notice the contradiction between the two elements above.



Strawman argument warning: No one argued that it's gonna be the "death of the game". That kind of negative press is damaging, whether it's a little or a lot depends on how widespread and on the issue at hand. But a developer has to try and avoid it when it can. And in this case it definitely was avoidable.

Just look at how some of the press just tried to raise a stink about the same gender marriage issue. Luckily it kind of fizzled because the spotlight on the game ain't intense enough, but they sure did try (the funnies thing is that they ALL noticed it eight days later than Yoshida mentioned it, way to be on top of the news lol).

LOL Dude what part of "You do NOT deserve to be in the alpha more than the next guy" you fail to understand? Chillax man no wall of text is getting you in ...

[SkyeWindbinder]

I'll refrain from going on and on about people's motives, as we obviously have different standpoints here. I'll just tell that when you call people "whiners" and "crybabies" and "butthurt" (what a bad word... using it really makes a post irritating), you're being confrontational and insulting, and I doubt you think that your alleged "judgement of people's motives" skill is infallible. If you do... well. That's more your problem than mine.

lol If it was more my problem than yours, I would have been the one to get angry, instead of you. I may have been strong in my wording, but I stand by what I said. There were people simply "whining" like "butthurt crybabies" that they didn't get in because of some false sense of entitlement. Perhaps confrontational, but no more so than the posts I was talking about were annoying for being posted over and over and over and over and over. And really, if you're going to whine like that because of some sense of entitlement, you are actually setting yourself up for words such as like the ones I used, and with good reason.

Choice of words is always important, and walking around with a can of gasoline in a foundry isn't exactly what I'd consider sensible, but to each his own.

Neither would I consider such actions sensible. Then again, that's a terrible metaphor to use to describe this situation, as calling people out for starting numerous threads to whine about the same thing over and over because of what they feel they are entitled to is likely anywhere near a parallel situation. More like "If you're going to walk around naked and yell over and over how you have the best fashion sense around, be prepared for someone to eventually call you an idiot over it."

-Only active accounts are eligible.
-A bunch of people with inactive accounts get into the alpha.

I'm sure it's not hard to notice the contradiction between the two elements above.

-People post that they have concerns over how alpha was handled because of misinformation

-People are angry becaue they feel their status as veterans in the game should net them early access, and are ticked off because it didn't, and post numerously how unfair that is

Not hard to notice the contradictions there, either.

Strawman argument warning: No one argued that it's gonna be the "death of the game". That kind of negative press is damaging, whether it's a little or a lot depends on how widespread and on the issue at hand. But a developer has to try and avoid it when it can. And in this case it definitely was avoidable.

Just look at how some of the press just tried to raise a stink about the same gender marriage issue. Luckily it kind of fizzled because the spotlight on the game ain't intense enough, but they sure did try (the funnies thing is that they ALL noticed it eight days later than Yoshida mentioned it, way to be on top of the news lol).

Well, perhaps it's just me, but I have yet to see a game being brought down or even slightly damaged due to how a closed alpha was slightly mishandled, especially when a beta has yet to really happen. As for SSM, that's a slightly bigger and more contraversial issue than some mis-info on closed alpha. I mean, I was there for Star Wars: The Old Republic after all. I kind of undersand how that's a MUCHO GRANDE bigger deal. But a closed alpha session, an almost private testing of a game that will likely get at least one or maybe two more testing sessions before the game is released? Hmm.... nah, I just don't see it as a critical blow. But then, just my humble $0.02.

[Abriael]

LOL Dude what part of "You do NOT deserve to be in the alpha more than the next guy" you fail to understand? Chillax man no wall of text is getting you in ...

From the official application form.

- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account

I'm not sure what part of it you don't understand, 'cause it sounds quite clear to me. I didn't make the rules. I just point out when they're broken.

[Abriael]

lol If it was more my problem than yours, I would have been the one to get angry, instead of you.

You're assuming that I'm angry. Finding something rather distasteful and writing about it isn't an equivalent to being angry.

Neither would I consider such actions sensible. Then again, that's a terrible metaphor to use to describe this situation

Is it? They're not called "flames" for nothing. And again, you're continuing to interpret people's motives rather arbitrarily.

-People post that they have concerns over how alpha was handled because of misinformation

There's no misinformation, or better, that "misinformation" was created by SE itself. They're the ones that officially stated that only people with an active account were eligible. It hasn't been invented by some other misinformative source.

Which is exactly the problem. Misinforming paying customers is a bad, bad idea. On a case by case base it's possible to get away with it, but it's always a risk not worth taking.

Well, perhaps it's just me, but I have yet to see a game being brought down or even slightly damaged due to how a closed alpha was slightly mishandles, especially when a beta has yet to really happen. As for SSM, that's a slightly bigger and more contraversial issue than some mis-info on closed alpha. I mean, I was there for Star Wars: The Old Republic after all. I kind of undersand how that's a MUCHO GRANDE bigger deal. But a closed alpha session, an almost private testing of a game that will likely get at least one or maybe two more testing sessions before the game is realed? Hmm.... nah, I just don't see it as a critical blow. But then, just my humble $0.02.

Customers are sensitive, any kind of situations in which they're fed wrong information is a potential can of worms. It may not be a "critical blow", but a good boxer avoids all the blows he can, no matter if they're critical or not, they add up.

[Recycler]

Am I that cold?

That's a really interesting phenomenon. People have expressed similar feelings / opinions with regard to my posts on other forums (different language, though). I think it's induced by well thought out, on-topic, smart posts with accurate use of grammar and an actual value compared to others.