[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[Fantasia]

Could it not be both? i mean a machine created through magic?

You could be right, just seems a bit odd how the 2 would look exactly the same.

[Shougun]

You could be right, just seems a bit odd how the 2 would look exactly the same.

Even if the first one was made in a very similar way as the second one?

[Orophin]

Ramuh = ??? (I think someone's made some speculations into the other beastman, but I can't recall off the top of my head. I think Sylph was a potential, but I thought they were friendly, like Ququroon and Goblins)

Just because they're not hostile towards us doesn't mean they don't have a Primal. They actually explicitly mentioned in one of the main story quests that they don't want to summon their Primal because of the evil influence they have over those who summon them.

[Fantasia]

Even if the first one was made in a very similar way as the second one?

If a machine was made to replicate The Twelve's method of imprisoning him then I'd totally understand and say it was fine. But if a machine 'randomly' made Dalamud that way and then The Twelve imprisoned him afterwards using a technique that looked exactly the same... I'd say it was a bit weird.

Of course, if The Twelve imprisoned him BEFORE the machine was built, and they used it to imprison him the 2nd time, then I'd say that it was totally logical =)

[Fantasia]

Just because they're not hostile towards us doesn't mean they don't have a Primal. They actually explicitly mentioned in one of the main story quests that they don't want to summon their Primal because of the evil influence they have over those who summon them.

Oh totally, I understand that they might have their own Primals. Maybe it was the Primals' presence in the tribes which turnt them into the aggressive Beastmen we know? If the Goblins decided to summon theirs in 2.0 then I see that they might become more violent...

Thanks for pointing that out =)

Also stands to mean that we could have Primals ourselves, but if we ever summoned them then they'd taint our hearts, too, meaning we'd become more aggressive and start killing/plotting. MAYBE that's what's happened in The Empire? They've summoned a Primal or something which has encouraged them to claim other lands (with advanced tech that the Primal may have bestowed them?)

I'm kinda going off on a tangent now.

[Orophin]

If the Goblins decided to summon theirs in 2.0 then I see that they might become more violent...

The goblins are probably going to hate us for slaughtering them unprovoked outside of the gates of Ul'Dah at the behest of Kipih Jakkya, but that's another story. :P

Also stands to mean that we could have Primals ourselves, but if we ever summoned them then they'd taint our hearts, too, meaning we'd become more aggressive and start killing/plotting. MAYBE that's what's happened in The Empire? They've summoned a Primal or something which has encouraged them to claim other lands (with advanced tech that the Primal may have bestowed them?)

I wouldn't say that's a far-fetched idea. Even with their hatred towards Primals, it's pretty clear the Primals require their undivided devotion, as per Ifrit's little speech in "Lord Errant". Hell, even van Darnus's little crusade was based on his now known Allag-knowledge, and I think some influence from Bahamut. He was more or less worshipping Bahamut in the end even though he never referred to him by name.

[Fantasia]

The goblins are probably going to hate us for slaughtering them unprovoked outside of the gates of Ul'Dah at the behest of Kipih Jakkya, but that's another story. :P

Ssssh, they startled us! =b

I wouldn't say that's a far-fetched idea. Even with their hatred towards Primals, it's pretty clear the Primals require their undivided devotion, as per Ifrit's little speech in "Lord Errant". Hell, even van Darnus's little crusade was based on his now known Allag-knowledge, and I think some influence from Bahamut. He was more or less worshipping Bahamut in the end even though he never referred to him by name.

Hmm, you make a good point about Darnus. He knew it was Bahamut all along but still decided to keep us in the dark, even as he proceeded to draw Bahamut closer. We know the Empire has some kind of 'protection' against Primals... could it be a Primal itself? Alexander, perhaps? In which case, they could flatten the whole of Eorzea and still be safe themselves. Or maybe they have a method of controlling the Primals, in which Bahamut would be the perfect weapon for their arsenal. Scary stuff D=

I want ARR so bad >.<

[Wynn]

IDK if anyone pointed this out, but the main story line mentions that we are from Garlean Empire and that is where the Echo comes from. As for our Primal I cannot say for sure but looking at the beastmen in a similar fashion to our races, I'm thinking we'll maybe have five primals one for each race. Kinda disappointed that we didn't get Titan to fight as it's clearly Kobold's primal.
From what I've seen, known Primals are Garuda(Ixali), Titan(Kobold), Ifrit(Amalj'aa), Leviathan(Sahagin?), Bahamut and Odin. Goblins and Sprites Primals are never real mentions but the Sprites at least have one, Quaziqoatl maybe? The FF universe has a load of avatars that can be use so I don't see why each race cannot get one. Just my speculations on the matter. Honestly though, I think "our" primal might not be "our" primal but the ability to use the primal of a beast tribe; noting that we'll be defeating a primal and being able to summon it once from the released notes. But still jusy my speculations, thoughts, and opinions.

Really? Do you remember where that was mentioned? I speculated a long time ago that is where we came from but I never found any indication in game that was true. At least none that come to mind.

[Alaltus]

You could be right, just seems a bit odd how the 2 would look exactly the same.

I'm not really dissagreeing with you. Maybe i'm thinking too hard but i could kind of imagine that the Allagans designed Dalamud and the Twelves power made it real through a magic ritual(placing the symbols of the twelve upon the land etc etc).

[Fantasia]

Really? Do you remember where that was mentioned? I speculated a long time ago that is where we came from but I never found any indication in game that was true. At least none that come to mind.

I completely blanked that bit and went to the Primal bit... but yeah, I don't remember seeing that anywhere. I thought it was all unknown where it came from =/