[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[Lucke]

You're forgetting that all of the The Twelve have an elemental affinity, so it might just be as simple as an elemental attack, if they're even involved in fighting at all.

I don't think we'll be able to call them at all, since they 'drain aether' at such a large scale.

They drain the Aether at such a large scale when all 12 of them are called at once. I would imagine the effect they have on the aether when only one is called would be a fraction of that.

[Fantasia]

They drain the Aether at such a large scale when all 12 of them are called at once. I would imagine the effect they have on the aether when only one is called would be a fraction of that.

You're probably right, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did do something with it, but it would just seem a bit silly (to me) if The Twelve were summoned as a last resort, the lesser of the evils, in one version of the game, but in ARR we're encouraged to call them for help more often

[NoloeTazier]

I want some of whatever he's been smoking to make all this baseless speculation

Not exactly baseless when you follow the story.

The Echo is a special ability that some rare individuals possess, and an important part of Final Fantasy XIV's storyline. Those that have been 'gifted', as the members of the Path of the Twelve calls it, have the power to resonate with other people's souls - and see their past, albeit not able to interfere or change it, as well as being able to speak every language in the world. It has been reported that this power is awakening over the last ten years, with no signal of its existence before that time.

So it appeared around the time when the Primals were released at the Battle of Silvertear Skies, hmm interesting. Siren has never been brought up except for the concept art of her, but the hints in game of her presence are there. Someone talked to us when The Echo was awakened within us. Nothing wrong with associating the singing and the voices with Siren. People claim to hear voices all the time, but atleast in this game it can actually be a real voice.

My theory is Bahamut is the dragons' primal or even possibly a very powerful, ancient dragon king.

To answer your other question, the primals aren't necessarily bent on distroying the world, they just want our undying devotion to them as we bow down and call them gods... and feed them crystals. They have this bad habit of sucking the life energy out of the planet, but meh, no god is perfect.

Louisoix even said that summoning the twelve could be very bad and taxing on the land, but the alternative was worse so they had to try to summon them.

Who knows. Maybe the original summoning of the twelve to entrap Bahamut is what made the Allagan Empire disappear in the first place.

All speculation of course, but I find it to be a very compelling theory.

Dravnians worship Bahamut yes.
The Allagan empire was destroyed in Fourth Umbral Era.
The Fourth Umbral Era's element was Earth.
So Bahamut didn't directly destroy the Allagan Empire, but if they drained the land of aether and caused instability, along with suffering massive casualties, just to seal him away. Then he indirectly caused the Fourth Umbral Age. We don't know if they used the same method to seal Bahamut, Cid told us it was a machine and I would think the Garleans would have a better perspective of what it actually was because their technology is based on the Allagan Empire. A Machine or "The Twelve," could just be a different name for the same outcome.

[Fantasia]

We don't know if they used the same method to seal Bahamut, Cid told us it was a machine and I would think the Garleans would have a better perspective of what it actually was because their technology is based on the Allagan Empire. A Machine or "The Twelve," could just be a different name for the same outcome.

I'd say it's incredibly likely that it was the same method of sealing him, since in the final video, during the imprisonment spell, The Twelve had starting constructing a planetary shell that looked EXACTLY like Dalamud did. If they used machines to seal him then it's strange that The Twelve's method resembled it so immensely.

[Alaltus]

I'd say it's incredibly likely that it was the same method of sealing him, since in the final video, during the imprisonment spell, The Twelve had starting constructing a planetary shell that looked EXACTLY like Dalamud did. If they used machines to seal him then it's strange that The Twelve's method resembled it so immensely.

Could it not be both? i mean a machine created through magic?

[Lucke]

Using the element argument, let's explore that a little further:

We know the primals each represent an element

Fire = Ifrit
Wind = Garuda
Ice = Shiva

etc
but what of darkness and light, or unbral and astral.

Well, this is what I came up with:
Bahamut to me seems like he's a Darkness primal. He causes death, destruction, sickness, etc. Things attributed to darkness or evil.

Arcanists can summon Carbuncle. That leads me to believe he/she's a primal. Could be ours.

Now, looking even further, we know Odin and Fenrir exist. Should we consider them primals? If so, which element to they represent? I think Fenrir obviously is darkness, and same with Odin. Odin represents death/underworld, similarly to Bahamut.

But now, we have an issue...There are 3 umbral primals (Bahamut, Odin, Fenrir) but only one Astral primal (Carbuncle). Knowing SE, one of the themes here will be balance, so if there are 3 umbral primals, what are the other 2 astral primals?

As was mentioned before, Alexander would most likely be an Astral primal, but we're still short one.

Umbral Primals:
Bahamut
Odin
Fenrir

Astral Primals:
Carbuncle
Alexander?
???

[Wilksha]

IDK if anyone pointed this out, but the main story line mentions that we are from Garlean Empire and that is where the Echo comes from. As for our Primal I cannot say for sure but looking at the beastmen in a similar fashion to our races, I'm thinking we'll maybe have five primals one for each race. Kinda disappointed that we didn't get Titan to fight as it's clearly Kobold's primal.
From what I've seen, known Primals are Garuda(Ixali), Titan(Kobold), Ifrit(Amalj'aa), Leviathan(Sahagin?), Bahamut and Odin. Goblins and Sprites Primals are never real mentions but the Sprites at least have one, Quaziqoatl maybe? The FF universe has a load of avatars that can be use so I don't see why each race cannot get one. Just my speculations on the matter. Honestly though, I think "our" primal might not be "our" primal but the ability to use the primal of a beast tribe; noting that we'll be defeating a primal and being able to summon it once from the released notes. But still jusy my speculations, thoughts, and opinions.

[Fantasia]

Using the element argument, let's explore that a little further:

We know the primals each represent an element

Fire = Ifrit
Wind = Garuda
Ice = Shiva

etc
but what of darkness and light, or unbral and astral.

Well, this is what I came up with:
Bahamut to me seems like he's a Darkness primal. He causes death, destruction, sickness, etc. Things attributed to darkness or evil.

Arcanists can summon Carbuncle. That leads me to believe he/she's a primal. Could be ours.

Now, looking even further, we know Odin and Fenrir exist. Should we consider them primals? If so, which element to they represent? I think Fenrir obviously is darkness, and same with Odin. Odin represents death/underworld, similarly to Bahamut.

But now, we have an issue...There are 3 umbral primals (Bahamut, Odin, Fenrir) but only one Astral primal (Carbuncle). Knowing SE, one of the themes here will be balance, so if there are 3 umbral primals, what are the other 2 astral primals?

As was mentioned before, Alexander would most likely be an Astral primal, but we're still short one.

Bahamut isn't an elemental Primal, that's the reason who was chosen as the destroyer for the 7th Umbral era.

In XIV, Astral is made of Wind, Water, and Earth elements, whereas Umbral is Ice, Fire, and Thunder (Hence the split between white mage and black mage using those elements).

Doesn't mean they won't add Primals of those elements though. But like every (I think) FF, Bahamut isn't assigned with an elemental affinity. I don't think Odin will either.

And since summoners are only summoning Primals' essences, and Carbuncle isn't actually available for SMN use, I think it's safe to say that Carby isn't a Primal at all.

[Wynn]

Bahamut isn't an elemental Primal, that's the reason who was chosen as the destroyer for the 7th Umbral era.

In XIV, Astral is made of Wind, Water, and Earth elements, whereas Umbral is Ice, Fire, and Thunder (Hence the split between white mage and black mage using those elements).

Doesn't mean they won't add Primals of those elements though. But like every (I think) FF, Bahamut isn't assigned with an elemental affinity. I don't think Odin will either.

And since summoners are only summoning Primals' essences, and Carbuncle isn't actually available for SMN use, I think it's safe to say that Carby isn't a Primal at all.

They call Carbuncle a familiar in the description on www.finalfantasyxiv.com

[Fantasia]

IDK if anyone pointed this out, but the main story line mentions that we are from Garlean Empire and that is where the Echo comes from. As for our Primal I cannot say for sure but looking at the beastmen in a similar fashion to our races, I'm thinking we'll maybe have five primals one for each race. Kinda disappointed that we didn't get Titan to fight as it's clearly Kobold's primal.
From what I've seen, known Primals are Garuda(Ixali), Titan(Kobold), Ifrit(Amalj'aa), Leviathan(Sahagin?), Bahamut and Odin. Goblins and Sprites Primals are never real mentions but the Sprites at least have one, Quaziqoatl maybe? The FF universe has a load of avatars that can be use so I don't see why each race cannot get one. Just my speculations on the matter. Honestly though, I think "our" primal might not be "our" primal but the ability to use the primal of a beast tribe; noting that we'll be defeating a primal and being able to summon it once from the released notes. But still jusy my speculations, thoughts, and opinions.

Garuda = Ixali
Ifrit = Amal'jaa
Titan = Kobolds (this was due to be in 1.0, but its release was around the time of a major earthquake in Japan so they decided to postpone it)
Leviathan = Sahagins
Shiva = Giants
Ramuh = ??? (I think someone's made some speculations into the other beastman, but I can't recall off the top of my head. I think Sylph was a potential, but I thought they were friendly, like Ququroon and Goblins)

But Bahamut and Odin have no (known) affiliation with anyone, men or beastmen.