[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[NoloeTazier]

I want some of whatever he's been smoking to make all this baseless speculation

Not exactly baseless when you follow the story.

The Echo is a special ability that some rare individuals possess, and an important part of Final Fantasy XIV's storyline. Those that have been 'gifted', as the members of the Path of the Twelve calls it, have the power to resonate with other people's souls - and see their past, albeit not able to interfere or change it, as well as being able to speak every language in the world. It has been reported that this power is awakening over the last ten years, with no signal of its existence before that time.

So it appeared around the time when the Primals were released at the Battle of Silvertear Skies, hmm interesting. Siren has never been brought up except for the concept art of her, but the hints in game of her presence are there. Someone talked to us when The Echo was awakened within us. Nothing wrong with associating the singing and the voices with Siren. People claim to hear voices all the time, but atleast in this game it can actually be a real voice.

My theory is Bahamut is the dragons' primal or even possibly a very powerful, ancient dragon king.

To answer your other question, the primals aren't necessarily bent on distroying the world, they just want our undying devotion to them as we bow down and call them gods... and feed them crystals. They have this bad habit of sucking the life energy out of the planet, but meh, no god is perfect.

Louisoix even said that summoning the twelve could be very bad and taxing on the land, but the alternative was worse so they had to try to summon them.

Who knows. Maybe the original summoning of the twelve to entrap Bahamut is what made the Allagan Empire disappear in the first place.

All speculation of course, but I find it to be a very compelling theory.

Dravnians worship Bahamut yes.
The Allagan empire was destroyed in Fourth Umbral Era.
The Fourth Umbral Era's element was Earth.
So Bahamut didn't directly destroy the Allagan Empire, but if they drained the land of aether and caused instability, along with suffering massive casualties, just to seal him away. Then he indirectly caused the Fourth Umbral Age. We don't know if they used the same method to seal Bahamut, Cid told us it was a machine and I would think the Garleans would have a better perspective of what it actually was because their technology is based on the Allagan Empire. A Machine or "The Twelve," could just be a different name for the same outcome.

[Fantasia]

We don't know if they used the same method to seal Bahamut, Cid told us it was a machine and I would think the Garleans would have a better perspective of what it actually was because their technology is based on the Allagan Empire. A Machine or "The Twelve," could just be a different name for the same outcome.

I'd say it's incredibly likely that it was the same method of sealing him, since in the final video, during the imprisonment spell, The Twelve had starting constructing a planetary shell that looked EXACTLY like Dalamud did. If they used machines to seal him then it's strange that The Twelve's method resembled it so immensely.

[Alaltus]

I'd say it's incredibly likely that it was the same method of sealing him, since in the final video, during the imprisonment spell, The Twelve had starting constructing a planetary shell that looked EXACTLY like Dalamud did. If they used machines to seal him then it's strange that The Twelve's method resembled it so immensely.

Could it not be both? i mean a machine created through magic?

[Fantasia]

Could it not be both? i mean a machine created through magic?

You could be right, just seems a bit odd how the 2 would look exactly the same.

[Shougun]

You could be right, just seems a bit odd how the 2 would look exactly the same.

Even if the first one was made in a very similar way as the second one?

[Fantasia]

Even if the first one was made in a very similar way as the second one?

If a machine was made to replicate The Twelve's method of imprisoning him then I'd totally understand and say it was fine. But if a machine 'randomly' made Dalamud that way and then The Twelve imprisoned him afterwards using a technique that looked exactly the same... I'd say it was a bit weird.

Of course, if The Twelve imprisoned him BEFORE the machine was built, and they used it to imprison him the 2nd time, then I'd say that it was totally logical =)

[NoloeTazier]

If a machine was made to replicate The Twelve's method of imprisoning him then I'd totally understand and say it was fine. But if a machine 'randomly' made Dalamud that way and then The Twelve imprisoned him afterwards using a technique that looked exactly the same... I'd say it was a bit weird.

Of course, if The Twelve imprisoned him BEFORE the machine was built, and they used it to imprison him the 2nd time, then I'd say that it was totally logical =)

We're told by Cid and it is known to history that the Allagan Empire used a machine to seal Bahamut. The Twelve is never mentioned to having played a part in his sealing. And there's no history of Bahamut being sealed before the Allagan Empire. What I said in another thread was maybe the Allagan Empire was at war with the Dravnians and the Dravnians summoned Bahamut, he was so strong that all the Allagans could do to survive was seal Bahamut away.

Also yeah the Sylphs have a Primal and could summon it they wanted, I believe a NPC Sylph tells you this in Gridania during one of the quests. The reason people assume Ramuh is the Lightning Bolt crest on their buildings and their currency. Funny thing is, there's no emblem on Goblin currency but the Qirin have 3. Here's Sylphs

[Alaltus]

You could be right, just seems a bit odd how the 2 would look exactly the same.

I'm not really dissagreeing with you. Maybe i'm thinking too hard but i could kind of imagine that the Allagans designed Dalamud and the Twelves power made it real through a magic ritual(placing the symbols of the twelve upon the land etc etc).