Job Individuality/Pride/Dedication

[Quesse]

I actually didn't really like that FFXI was so limiting in its job selection - in that it was completely annoying before abyssea to level more than 2-3 jobs to 75 and gear them. You had to really pick what to focus on and didn't get to enjoy all the jobs that FFXI had to offer.

Personally that's what I liked about it. it made things alot more diverse. everyone had a different set of jobs levelled and there weren't really many people the same. and in a way ensured people could play what they wanted. if you had dragoon you weren't told to go warrior or sam or whatever. you could happily stay drg. in xiv though even if you have drg you'd go monk at miser....

But you're missing my point. I understand that you guys don't want to be stuck at the same job for every fight. But taking the flexibility away robs people of the fun of being able to pick different jobs at any time. Just because some groups idiotically stick to prescribed party formulas like sheep, doesn't mean all do. It would be sad to rob those people of fun just because you're bitter. Ideally, the job/armoury system is great. Let's not fix it by getting rid of it >.<

This isn't the armoury system's fault. It's the playerbase's fault. Don't go picking at SE for what the community themselves have limited on their own.

Exactly! Great post!

[RoninDarkchild]

Why not just find ppl who feel the same as you? I personally like the job system in this one. I like swapping to what job my party needs when i need it. If you only want to lvl one job, and only play that one job, then good for you. Ppl did that in FFXI. And the outcome is the same. If in FFXIV you have DRG and BLM lvld, and youre gonna enter a dungeon that calls for Blm, thier gonna have you swap right there to Blm. If it was FFXIV but with FFXI job swapping only in your room, in the same situation their gonna have you go BACK to your mog and change to Blm. What exactly is the difference here? If they really want to be a certai job class, do you think that you have a better chance of getting an invite just because you have to add a few mins while everyone waits for you to go back home and change? That doesnt seem to make a lot of sense.

If youre upset at ppl job stacking, or having certain jobs for certain events, that not fully SE's fault. Some jobs excel at certain things easier than other. And often people will pick the job combos that they feel are the most efficient. If you want to go Mnk to Garuda, then why not find a group that will let you? Show that youre good at it. And if you guys wipe over and over than work on that or swap your party to something easier.

I makes no sense to want options taken away from the player base to suit your own personal needs. So instead of arguing to take away said options, why not argue with your friends to do a diff setup you like, and show them you all can win with that set up.

Again In FFXI, if i was on Dancer And we were about to enter Abyssea and fight some NM where the strat called for only teh tank to melee, and they didnt WANT my dnc, the shell is going to make me go home and change to what they want. I like not having to go back to my mog house just to change jobs. You having Mnk and Blm lvld, isnt going to make you able to play Mnk if your group wants you on Blm.... what do you think will happen? That if you have to go back to your room th leader will say... "oh darn, we will have to wait 5 mins for him to change, ok stay Mnk and lets enter".... no he will make you go home and change. But as it stand now, you can swap to Blm outside the entrance to a fight.

So it seems to me, your topic should have been more an argument on making every job just as viable in every fight.

[KiraHime]

Whilst I agree there are some notes in this thread worth merit, Such as cookie cutter builds for dungeons/ boss fights/etc leaving some jobs under-utilized. There is one thing I staunchly disagree with...

The OP stated a few times, another player could swap to his job and be " as good as him " or the lolsummoners could be as good as him just by swapping weapon.

Im calling BS on that one. Anyone can swap to a Paladin, but You can bet your ass they aren't instantly as good as the person that Plays it as often as they can, or dedicates them self to it.

Anyone can swap to BLM for a dungeon sure, but that guy in the party that lives on it will outshine them.

If you are worried that the lolsummoners will get you lost in the crowd, you arent a good summoner.
If you are complaining that the current whatever class can equip a main hand tool and be as good as you, you are just another nameless face in the crowd and you need to excel.

[RoninDarkchild]

But still... if you could only change in your room, the same thing would happen. The only difference is one is instant, the other require you to walk back to your room....

[Edy]

If youre upset at ppl job stacking, or having certain jobs for certain events, that not fully SE's fault. Some jobs excel at certain things easier than other. And often people will pick the job combos that they feel are the most efficient. If you want to go Mnk to Garuda, then why not find a group that will let you? Show that youre good at it. And if you guys wipe over and over than work on that or swap your party to something easier.

I makes no sense to want options taken away from the player base to suit your own personal needs. So instead of arguing to take away said options, why not argue with your friends to do a diff setup you like, and show them you all can win with that set up.

Again In FFXI, if i was on Dancer And we were about to enter Abyssea and fight some NM where the strat called for only teh tank to melee, and they didnt WANT my dnc, the shell is going to make me go home and change to what they want. I like not having to go back to my mog house just to change jobs. You having Mnk and Blm lvld, isnt going to make you able to play Mnk if your group wants you on Blm.... what do you think will happen? That if you have to go back to your room th leader will say... "oh darn, we will have to wait 5 mins for him to change, ok stay Mnk and lets enter".... no he will make you go home and change. But as it stand now, you can swap to Blm outside the entrance to a fight.

So it seems to me, your topic should have been more an argument on making every job just as viable in every fight.

Some players excel at any job, some excel at a few and some are best at their one 'special first-love' job. It's totally your choice how you play this and the flexibility with the way SE allows us to change jobs quickly makes things much better in terms of game experience for me.

I am one of those players with all 50 having played since CE release but I know that when my Linkshell asks me to play BRD or DRG because they need one for what they are doing, I ensure I give them the standard warning that my BRD is inexperienced or not geared well - eventually over time I hope to be better at those jobs too! If they still want me then cool, if not I can just elect to go and do something else or see if someone else in the linkshell/party wants to change. Because of this flexibility players in our shell with only one choice (because it's their only 50 or otherwise) get to continue playing that particular content with us because other members have the flexibility to change so they get included. If SE didn't have job change via weapon then that lone WHM or DRG simply might not have a place in the party.

I also agree that it's not SE's fault that you get cookie-cutter groups for Garuda etc. It's up to the community to try and figure out new ways of beating content. Take the Moogle fight for instance. The standard is to have your blm burn but you can swap things around and do mnk burn and thanks to some innovative people a whm speed run burn which is such fun (and I never beat before the end ). Part of the fun for me was to get a core group together and do some experimenting and I salute people from BG etc for spending the time and effort figuring things out for people. If I want to copy a strat from BG it's a good experience but it's also fun to try new things.

[Alerith]

Not that it counts for much, but I always thought you were a damn good PLD

Kimimi! You're too sweet!

[Reika]

I believe yoshida hinted at making it impossible to switch classes inside of a dungeon. I always hated it too, having to be force to play X or Y. I personally dont play or want to play BLM, MNK or BRD, just leveled them for the achieve. I didn't even bother to finish BRD job quests.

I don't think it is going to be an issue in ARR tho, since the concept of speed running is going away, people would likely be able to play what they want. The trailer that shows the party fighting the dragon is perfectly balanced, 1 of each class (2 WHM tho i think) so I'm hoping it will come down to that for ARR dungeons. But we will have to see what happens.

If it works out, I will be able to put my WAR gear up too, unless they make it easier to DPS with it (I prefer to tank as pld!)

[Alerith]

Im calling BS on that one. Anyone can swap to a Paladin, but You can bet your ass they aren't instantly as good as the person that Plays it as often as they can, or dedicates them self to it.

So much truth oozing from this post that it's dropping from my screen.

Sure, little Jimmy can change to Paladin. This may even make your group feel good about your setup. But without experience, without feeling the job regularly, your group is gonna fail the moment Jimmy gets splattered to on the wall by Coincounter.

Skill and experience will make up a great deal of ability in a group. You can preach how PLD BLM MNK MNK MNK MNK MNK WHM is the best setup for Miser's Mistress, but if one of those MNKs is a better skilled and geared DRG, your DPS will be better by having them on their best job.

MNK may be "optimal" for the fight if everyone can play MNK at peak efficiency, but if you do 100 DPS on MNK and 115 DPS on DRG....why go with the "Optimal" setup when you'll do better allowing that person to go DRG?

[Mamba]

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Omg Edy you guys still play!
I logged on Black Mamba on few occasions and since there was no one around (shouted in Uldah a bit too!!! haha) I decided to start over on another character with some RL friends on another server

SORRY that was so off topic, but my face lit up when I saw your post
Hope all is good!!!

[Jinrya-Geki]

I take extreme pride in playing a Wizard, I like to try to individualize myself through my pride and dedication to it. There is something that I don't like though.

In order to truly stand out among the others is by how much money you put into the class/job, not skill. You could know the timing to start casting, know when to stop casting, when you can do maximum damage, other things. None of that matters if your not geared correctly. It's changing in 2.0, but who knows what will happen.