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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruisu View Post
    Because people don't do this in XI with BLM burn parties, or in other games in general. The issue is that people want to get content done as quickly efficiently as possible? Well okay. How dare those pesky devs give us the freedom to do so.
    I meant optimal and beneficial in terms of the difficulty of finding the people. It is easy to get the job you NEED because anyone can just class switch. This is a good thing, but it also means that non-optimal builds are never considered/tested/utilized, and if a certain class doesn't fit the "optimal setup" of the content they may never see the content (unless they switch classes, but they shouldn't have to).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    I meant optimal and beneficial in terms of the difficulty of finding the people. It is easy to get the job you NEED because anyone can just class switch. This is a good thing, but it also means that non-optimal builds are never considered/tested/utilized, and if a certain class doesn't fit the "optimal setup" of the content they may never see the content (unless they switch classes, but they shouldn't have to).
    Ehhhh, yes and no.

    For the longest time, WAR was the one and only tank you would ever tank into Aurum Vale. Then some rogues decided to try Paladin tanks. This wasn't well received by the community at large, but as time went on, and people saw that it could actually work pretty damn good, it started to pan out better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
    Ehhhh, yes and no.

    For the longest time, WAR was the one and only tank you would ever tank into Aurum Vale. Then some rogues decided to try Paladin tanks. This wasn't well received by the community at large, but as time went on, and people saw that it could actually work pretty damn good, it started to pan out better.
    I would say this is more so likely due to the desperation of being unable to find a tank. Someone probably grabbed a paladin because they couldn't find a warrior and said "lol why were we looking for a warrior, this works fine."

    Besides that, yeah it's bound to happen, but the system still highly discourages it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    I would say this is more so likely due to the desperation of being unable to find a tank. Someone probably grabbed a paladin because they couldn't find a warrior and said "lol why were we looking for a warrior, this works fine."

    Besides that, yeah it's bound to happen, but the system still highly discourages it.
    Now you're just assuming things. Despite what you may think, people out there do like trying different strategies. Sometimes a given strategy just doesn't work for a group so they have to tweak it to suit their own group. When I started doing dungeon speed runs with a group we changed the setup for each dungeon at least 5 times before we found one that worked best for us. Wasn't the decided on most optimal strategy but it worked for us. I'm sure we weren't the only ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    I meant optimal and beneficial in terms of the difficulty of finding the people. It is easy to get the job you NEED because anyone can just class switch. This is a good thing, but it also means that non-optimal builds are never considered/tested/utilized, and if a certain class doesn't fit the "optimal setup" of the content they may never see the content (unless they switch classes, but they shouldn't have to).
    People will always go for the person who is better-suited for an event. This is true with anything. This is where you take matters into your own hands and do content your way. Do you want to do everything with one job? Sure. Good luck finding people who agree, because again, it's a problem with the community. Not the dev team. The dev team is simply giving you the option to do so, and building content so that switching jobs doesn't make the content a walk in the park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruisu View Post
    People will always go for the person who is better-suited for an event. This is true with anything. This is where you take matters into your own hands and do content your way. Do you want to do everything with one job? Sure. Good luck finding people who agree, because again, it's a problem with the community. Not the dev team. The dev team is simply giving you the option to do so, and building content so that switching jobs doesn't make the content a walk in the park.
    They will go for the person who is better-suited provided it is reasonable to do so. If the damage difference between monk and dragoon isn't that big, they're not gonna bother going for dragoon... just get one or the other. However, if it's VERY EASY to get a dragoon instead of a monk (which is the case with this class switching system) then by all means they're just gonna turn down the monk and wait for the dragoon.

    Now you're just assuming things.
    It was just a likely example, not an assumption (hence why I put that final statement).
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    Last edited by Crevox; 11-15-2012 at 04:09 PM.