Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Akujin]

If the discussion of marriage is really that important, can we approach the idea of reproduction then? For those who have played Fable 3, you know you can marry and have a kid, just an NPC that you can buy gifts for and such, doesnt do much more than that and thats all this would be, an NPC that stays around your residence.

Though I could see that becoming an issue for same sex unless they want to create an Orphange because of how Dalamud killed so many people at the fall, creating parentless children.

[KoujiGeki]

If the discussion of marriage is really that important, can we approach the idea of reproduction then? For those who have played Fable 3, you know you can marry and have a kid, just an NPC that you can buy gifts for and such, doesnt do much more than that and thats all this would be, an NPC that stays around your residence.

Though I could see that becoming an issue for same sex unless they want to create an Orphange because of how Dalamud killed so many people at the fall, creating parentless children.

i actually fully support this! omg having a family to fight for? that adds a whole new dimension especially if they add a family quest line or something.

[Duuude007]

The articles of Eorzea state clearly that Male Hyurs can marry Female Hyurs. Nowhere in there does it say ANYTHING about Roegadyn marrying Lalafell, so that should also be strictly forbidden.

/sarcasm

[Reika]

i actually fully support this! omg having a family to fight for? that adds a whole new dimension especially if they add a family quest line or something.

Maybe if the couple logs out in the same bed enough times, eventually you wake up to a child telling you to wake up, then calling you papa/mama, then you really wake up - bam, new "nightmare" event. Doesn't even have to be through sex. Could be a gift from the Twelve.

[Nikita]

Seeing the current results of this player poll make me really proud to be a part of the FFXIV community.

[SpringLeaf]

What a gay post. Go back to your closets.

[Shougun]

What a gay post. Go back to your closets.

I wanted to use this for a while.

[Keisuna]

And their conclusions are heavily disputed due to the fact that they chose small convenience samples that disproportionally favored upper-income Caucasian lesbian couples and offered no comparison study with hetero couples.
In short, the APA cherry-picked their data to support their preconceived conclusions.

In fact other studies have shown just the opposite to be true.

Oh, hey! It's the Marks and Regnerus studies again. I suppose being audited by the journal they were published in wasn't enough to keep them buried, people (read: FRC, FOTF, et al.) do insist on pulling them out, and I don't blame them. On the surface the Regnerus study makes gay parents look terrible, and Marks is challenging every study the APA cites in their decision on gay parenting.

However, the problem is that Mark's study itself is being criticized for only doing an analysis of the summaries instead of doing an in depth analysis. If you're going to try to dismiss decades of studies just because the sample size is small, I suppose you'd better do your homework.

The fact of the matter is that the population of gays and lesbians is only a fraction of the population, and because gay marriage is only allowed in certain states, and was completely illegal before 2004, gays and lesbians are still in an environment where they aren't encouraged to settle down and have kids. These studies that Marks criticizes, they had to fight to find enough people to achieve a passable sample size.

Oddly, this isn't a problem that Regnerus's study had, as apparently his study had a great sample size, and upon closer inspection you can see why. The way the study sought to determine whether or not the subject grew up with gay or lesbian parents was to ask them whether or not either of their parents had had sex with someone of the same gender, instead of whether or not the parents who raised them were of the same gender.

In Regnerus' study, he essentially makes no distinction between a committed gay couple raising a child and straight biological parents who cheated on each other regularly, perhaps once or twice with the same gender. There aren't a lot of children who are raised by two loving gay parents in this country, but there are plenty of children who come from broken homes where their biological parents regularly cheat on each other, and they vastly outnumber the kids raised in stable gay parent families.

But yeah, I wouldn't take these two studies seriously.

*btw I wouldn't cite the APA for anything. They have been floating the idea that even pedophilia is not harmful to kids, Look it up.

Ha! I definitely want to check out this one. xD

[AmyNeudaiz]

Oh, hey! It's the Marks and Regnerus studies again. I suppose being audited by the journal they were published in wasn't enough to keep them buried, people (read: FRC, FOTF, et al.) do insist on pulling them out, and I don't blame them. On the surface the Regnerus study makes gay parents look terrible, and Marks is challenging every study the APA cites in their decision on gay parenting.

However, the problem is that Mark's study itself is being criticized for only doing an analysis of the summaries instead of doing an in depth analysis. If you're going to try to dismiss decades of studies just because the sample size is small, I suppose you'd better do your homework.

The fact of the matter is that the population of gays and lesbians is only a fraction of the population, and because gay marriage is only allowed in certain states, and was completely illegal before 2004, gays and lesbians are still in an environment where they aren't encouraged to settle down and have kids. These studies that Marks criticizes, they had to fight to find enough people to achieve a passable sample size.

Oddly, this isn't a problem that Regnerus's study had, as apparently his study had a great sample size, and upon closer inspection you can see why. The way the study sought to determine whether or not the subject grew up with gay or lesbian parents was to ask them whether or not either of their parents had had sex with someone of the same gender, instead of whether or not the parents who raised them were of the same gender.

In Regnerus' study, he essentially makes no distinction between a committed gay couple raising a child and straight biological parents who cheated on each other regularly, perhaps once or twice with the same gender. There aren't a lot of children who are raised by two loving gay parents in this country, but there are plenty of children who come from broken homes where their biological parents regularly cheat on each other, and they vastly outnumber the kids raised in stable gay parent families.

But yeah, I wouldn't take these two studies seriously.



Ha! I definitely want to check out this one. xD

/highfive for knowledge

[Jinrya-Geki]

Anyone who thinks same sex marriage is wrong is dumb. It has absolutely NO effect on you so why the hell do you care what other people do in a game.