Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Zyph]

So, if a man disguises himself as a woman and hangs out in a woman's locker room, he is guilty of violating the privacy of those women?

Now you're about to open up the "transgendered people and concept of 'passability' in the context of public restrooms" can of worms.

There's a place for that debate but it's not here.

[Tiberious]

I demand that I be allowed to marry a chocobo. What? I love chocobos.

[Kallera]

So, if a man disguises himself as a woman and hangs out in a woman's locker room, he is guilty of violating the privacy of those women?

Sexual harassment laws have nothing to do with marriage equality.

[Zantetsuken]

Now you're about to open up the "transgendered people and concept of 'passability' in the context of public restrooms" can of worms.

There's a place for that debate but it's not here.

I have no plan to bring up Transgendered people in this particular argument.

Sexual harassment laws have nothing to do with marriage equality.

I'm specifically talking about a straight voyeur who is able to view women in a locker room without them realizing it - thus they are not harassed.

I'll ask again:

If a man disguises himself as a woman and hangs out in a woman's locker room - unbeknownst to them - what is he guilty of?

[Wynn]

I demand that I be allowed to marry a chocobo. What? I love chocobos.

Only if the chocobo can say "I do" when asked if they agree to your marriage, otherwise no deal.

[Colvin]

So what youre saying is, gay people are animals. At least, I hope you aren't trying to relate 2 same sex people getting married to a person marrying an animal.

It really isn't my point but in order for my point to be MADE I had to compare people's opinions so yes I mentioned the two in the same sentence... thanks for pointing that out.

[Tiberious]

Only if the chocobo can say "I do" when asked if they agree to your marriage, otherwise no deal.

Damn, I guess I'll shoot for a parrot then.

[Kallera]

I have no plan to bring up Transgendered people in this particular argument.



I'm specifically talking about a straight voyeur who is able to view women in a locker room without them realizing it - thus they are not harassed.

Try again~

You are moving the goalposts. They are committing a crime of sexual harassment, even if they are Solid Snake.

Unless you have a point to this, stop. This has nothing to do with marriage equality or even this game, where there are no restrooms or a necessity to go to them.

[Huginn]

So basically what you're saying is that you do care. You just don't want to admit it.

I also don't believe you have ever truly known a gay person in your life or much about gay people in general. There are deeply spiritual and faithful people in the LGBT community. Christians. Catholics. Jews. Muslims. Every single world religion that exists. There are also conservative people in the LGBT community. Ever heard of Log Cabin Republicans? We are cut from many creeds. You'd know that if you had any kind of real world experience with gay people. Stop trying to generalize as if you are some gay person authority. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Guess what, what it boils down to is I don't give one crap about your religion, political affiliation, or your beliefs. You can take your supposed "education" and shove it right up your you know what. You have absolutely no right to force your opinions down my or anyone else's throat. You believe something about homosexuality, that's great. You live by it. But you don't have the right to make others do the same. By the way, that is the very principle libertarians live by so if you really are one as you say, you should learn what they actually believe:

"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."

"Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships." - The Libertarian Platform.

Source - http://www.lp.org/platform

Also, please stop trying to make it seem like somehow you are a victim and the LGBT community is a giant victimizer just playing victim. Half the things you are arguing right now, I never even said to you. You talk like a crazy person who is just regergitating rheteric from some internet pamphlet they read 100 times so they could justify their hatred in an argument.

Please try to refrain from making personal attacks. I do not believe you have understood what i was saying at all. I do not care what you do so long as it does not affect anyone else's rights.

You may not believe that i have ever met a homosexual, and that is fine for you to fall back on. yes, i do know of the log cabin republicans, as well as many other organizations. My godfather created the first AIDS ministry for men in our diocese (i understand that this has no bearing on myself, i did not do it) because he (as did I) saw them as men and God's children, not just as some abomination.

I have been met with fear and anger over daring to accompany a friend to a gay bar, not by people outside, but by some of the people inside. I was greeted by people whom i knew publicly with "huginn, i never knew!", and when i responded with "I'm not", i was presented with a person who was angry and bitter, possibly due to the fear that because i was not a homosexual, that i was there solely to gather information about gays to out them publicly. not everyone had this problem, just as not every GLAAD member i have met claimed that asexuals were just closet homosexuals who refused to come out.

You seem to be claiming that i am trying to shove some kind of anti same sex marriage dogma down everyone's throats, but what i am trying to convey is that i feel that many are trying to shove their opinions down everyone else's throats. I attempt to point out the hatred and absurdity that is being levied against anyone who either does not care or does not want to see same sex marriage implemented at this time (along with any kind of marriage implementation at this time).

I personally do not care if marriage of any kind is introduced to X|V. I do care about people telling others to go to hell and trying to demean them with taunts such as "we are the majority now".

The only victimization i possibly feel is that i have lost a good friend to his choice to be popular with his new group identity, rather than keep his values. This is because of the area where we live and the vocal groups that inhabit it.

Also, i do not particularly remember posting "lololol" in this thread, but i can not rule it out.

Finally, i would like to remind everyone to please refrain from personal attacks, it does nothing but make you look like a fool and gets me banned for a week when responding to them... or denegrating the band "nicleback"

[Tiberious]

You are moving the goalposts. They are committing a crime of sexual harassment, even if they are Solid Snake.

Unless you have a point to this, stop. This has nothing to do with marriage equality or even this game, where there are no restrooms or a necessity to go to them.

It is a crime. But the point he's making is, I believe, "Why is it a crime?" If your filming them because your sexual desires cause the urges to do so, but it doesn't affect anyone, and they don't know, and you're not distributing it, or selling it, then why is it illegal?