Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Zyph]

So, if a man disguises himself as a woman and hangs out in a woman's locker room, he is guilty of violating the privacy of those women?

Now you're about to open up the "transgendered people and concept of 'passability' in the context of public restrooms" can of worms.

There's a place for that debate but it's not here.

[Zantetsuken]

Now you're about to open up the "transgendered people and concept of 'passability' in the context of public restrooms" can of worms.

There's a place for that debate but it's not here.

I have no plan to bring up Transgendered people in this particular argument.

Sexual harassment laws have nothing to do with marriage equality.

I'm specifically talking about a straight voyeur who is able to view women in a locker room without them realizing it - thus they are not harassed.

I'll ask again:

If a man disguises himself as a woman and hangs out in a woman's locker room - unbeknownst to them - what is he guilty of?

[Kallera]

I have no plan to bring up Transgendered people in this particular argument.



I'm specifically talking about a straight voyeur who is able to view women in a locker room without them realizing it - thus they are not harassed.

Try again~

You are moving the goalposts. They are committing a crime of sexual harassment, even if they are Solid Snake.

Unless you have a point to this, stop. This has nothing to do with marriage equality or even this game, where there are no restrooms or a necessity to go to them.

[Tiberious]

You are moving the goalposts. They are committing a crime of sexual harassment, even if they are Solid Snake.

Unless you have a point to this, stop. This has nothing to do with marriage equality or even this game, where there are no restrooms or a necessity to go to them.

It is a crime. But the point he's making is, I believe, "Why is it a crime?" If your filming them because your sexual desires cause the urges to do so, but it doesn't affect anyone, and they don't know, and you're not distributing it, or selling it, then why is it illegal?

[Wynn]

It is a crime. But the point he's making is, I believe, "Why is it a crime?" If your filming them because your sexual desires cause the urges to do so, but it doesn't affect anyone, and they don't know, and you're not distributing it, or selling it, then why is it illegal?

Because as soon as you're caught, the very inciting incident that would cause you to be arrested in the first place, you'd done harm to the person who now realizes their privacy has been invaded without their knowledge. It is a distraction argument. It has no place here and is not valid in any way. It is just more slippery slope nonsense.

[Zantetsuken]

Because as soon as you're caught, the very inciting incident that would cause you to be arrested in the first place, you'd done harm to the person who now realizes their privacy has been invaded without their knowledge. It is a distraction argument. It has no place here and is not valid in any way. It is just more slippery slope nonsense.

Because as soon as you're caught, the very inciting incident that would cause you to be arrested in the first place, you'd done harm to the person who now realizes their privacy has been invaded without their knowledge. It is a distraction argument. It has no place here and is not valid in any way. It is just more slippery slope nonsense.

Not necessarily. Who says the guy isn't caught on the way out of the locker room, or days later with tons of footage on him?

I don't know how to make this more clear: THE SUBJECTS OF THE VOYEURISM NEVER, EVER FIND OUT.

(If they did, they could press civil charges which is understandable)

Why should it be a criminal matter??

I'll wait.

[Arcell]

Not necessarily. Who says the guy isn't caught on the way out of the locker room, or days later with tons of footage on him?

I don't know how to make this more clear: THE SUBJECTS OF THE VOYEURISM NEVER, EVER FIND OUT.

(If they did, they could press civil charges which is understandable)

Why should it be a criminal matter??

This has nothing to do with same sex marriage in FFXIV/Eorzea. Please make your point if you have one pertaining to the topic of this thread.

[Wynn]

Not necessarily. Who says the guy isn't caught on the way out of the locker room, or days later with tons of footage on him?

I don't know how to make this more clear: THE SUBJECTS OF THE VOYEURISM NEVER, EVER FIND OUT.

(If they did, they could press civil charges which is understandable)

Why should it be a criminal matter??

I'll wait.

As people have already said countless times, this has nothing to do with same sex marriage. However, to reply to you, if a person gets arrested for voyarism the victim is notified. The victim is the one who has to press charges.

[Keisuna]

Not necessarily. Who says the guy isn't caught on the way out of the locker room, or days later with tons of footage on him?

I don't know how to make this more clear: THE SUBJECTS OF THE VOYEURISM NEVER, EVER FIND OUT.

(If they did, they could press civil charges which is understandable)

Why should it be a criminal matter??

I'll wait.

I don't know where you're going with this, but I'll bite.

Generally speaking, laws against activities that don't cause harm are there because they are seen to drastically increase the chance that said harm would happen. Traffic laws are a good example of this. It doesn't matter if you can run a red light without causing a wreck. If they allowed you to just drive through red lights without any penalty so long as you don't cause harm, more people would run red lights, drastically increasing the chances of wrecks in intersections.

From the standpoint of the law, it doesn't necessarily matter that the subjects of the voyeurism didn't know, as the act of voyeurism itself drastically increases the chance that the subjects might find out. If the law only busted those who were caught by the subjects themselves, it would encourage more people to do it, thus drastically increasing the chances of it happening.

These restrictions on activity that increase the chance of harm are made with reason in mind, as technically just going out of your house drastically increases the chance of creating harm. They have to keep in mind that people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and all that, and the law aims to prevent infringements on life and property of everyone in the best way that it can.

Now, would you please PLEASE get to your point. I'm really sick of seeing these posts about voyeurism.

[Kallera]

It is a crime. But the point he's making is, I believe, "Why is it a crime?" If your filming them because your sexual desires cause the urges to do so, but it doesn't affect anyone, and they don't know, and you're not distributing it, or selling it, then why is it illegal?

It is a crime because you are violating the privacy and restrictions of a marked public restroom.

Sexual harassment is a crime because those acts are taken without the consent of the affected party.

This has nothing to do with marriage equality!