Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Aerin92]

I disagree with your statement Zyph. If that were true then this wouldn't be such a major issue right now.

[Shougun]

no, good sir, that is not at all where i was heading. i am not sure how one would arrive at that conclusion from what i said, but it is not at all what i meant. Changing your fundamental beliefs on a whim does not normally occur, though many would like to argue that it does.

Perhaps I misunderstood you, sorry . I felt like you where saying you "cant" change your beliefs because they are already chosen.

Which would be analogous to determinism and quite a few streams of religious thought.

The people who react so negatively and vocally are often non-gamers. If we just look at this thread, as it is a collection of people who actually play games, and more specifically this game, you see that adding same sex marriage will not have a reaction as adverse as you imagine.

How many gaming sites/blogs would you see outright condemning SE for adding same sex marriage? How many people would vow to quit or never play the game because of it? I'm going to bet on the side of "not many".

Agreed - Mass Effect (Bioware in general) has pushed the idea a bit with their same sex relationships available (sometimes had to be unlocked through a simple mod to the code). For the most part the reaction to Biowares choices followed that logic (outside inside gamer responses), obviously they did fine :P lol.

[Psion]

Not to mention that FFXIV has a disproportionately high percentage of LGBT players. If anything, the publicity that comes from allowing same sex marriage would cause a large attraction of new players who had never heard of final fantasy before and either are LGBT or support same sex marriage.

Gamers in general tend to be more progressive, and the conservative gamers there are tend to be more progressive in terms of equal rights.

[RoosterAgathos]

"We want prenup!",

yeaah!

It's something that you need to have 'Cause when he leave yo' ass he gone leave with half

[Fylion]

Adding same-sex marriage: Potentially thousands of subscribers lost.


Most people who are pro same-sex marriage would not react to opposite-sex only marriage in the same way people who are a anti same-sex marriage would react if same-sex marriage were to be added. Especially since same-sex marriage hasn't been entirely ruled out, giving proponents hope.

tl;dr the reaction by opponents of same-sex marriage is much more emotionally charged than the other way around.

For some other games, possibly. However, I'm a veteran MMO player (and not just the FF franchise) and I have NEVER played with so many LBGT players, ever.

For the second part, the idea of changing the term of what the "marriage" actually is seems to be getting some strong support, and that would probably let the whole thing fly a little more under the radar.

Additionally, it's just an avatar! If SE really wanted they could say that in-game gender doesn't reflect RL gender; OR they could say that they are choosing to allocate their developmental resources elsewhere and enforcing/adding a gender restriction would consume too many resources.

[Wevlum]

Agreed, equal marriage or no marriage. Nice to see SE playing the part of the cowardly lion in this though -.-;

Given the amount of male people playing female characters this entire thing is a farce. Note that I'm not passing any judgement on people playing opposite gender avatars; it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Colvin]

ok so first I want to say, I do not agree with Same-sex anything. You can hate me if you want to. HOWEVER! I also don't think it is my right to stop other from doing what they want. I always tell my LBG (don't have any T... yet) friends, if my believes are going to put you in hell there is no reason to bring hell to you. After all... if you force everyone to have your beliefs then you can't really judge them. I only bother to point this out because I want to say EVEN COMING FROM SOMEONE LIKE ME do thus:

Go ahead and put it in if the fan base wants it. People should be able to do what they want. Given the critical state, I would like them to look at doing whatever would get them the best bottom dollar. If it turns out that allowing same-sex marriage will bring in an in-flux of new players..? do it.

[Loggos]

I was just wondering - because I never checked out any reports about it - if a successful game like the Sims series has been condemned and economically damaged because you can have same gender relationships there too and since it's real life simulation you can do much "worse" things than you could possibly to in FFXIV (like hecking the bed together).
Like I said, I wonder about this because I have no idea (not saying that there was no opposal) so I'd like to know. Other than that even if there are, I think Sims is still quite successful at least in the Western world I guess (no idea about other cultural areas), probably because it's not the main feature of the game. It's just a side option and I've never met a person that was bugged by this but that's just entirely personal experience!

And about magic, it is condemned too in very strict groups. I remember even the Pope once said that Harry Potter is a subtile temptation to today's youth... :/
And no, not every religious person condemns fantasy! I know quite a lot who love fantasy on the other hand.
I'm just giving this example because there will most likely always be people who will feel offended by something or condemn and oppose to it. But I suppose the group of people who like fantasy are just so big that there is no economic disadvantage even if people condemn it.
On the other hand the sgm is not even a main feature. It is a tiny bit in this huge game. It's not like it determines the game.
To me the main goal is still to beat up some evil monsters and to experience a mind-blowing story (and still I use so many words on this - I'm scared of myself xDD).


That being said (and asked) I don't think that the majority of this thread wants to force a view on others (at least I don't :| so if you feel like I do, I'm sorry. It's not my intetion!).
I just think stating arguments and counter arguments is not automatically forcing a view on another person (referring to all sides of the discussion and as long as it stays well-mannered I guess!).
And I also think if people ask for something that permitts more freedom then it's not really forcing a life style on people because whether I choose to have an ingame same gender marriage that doesn't mean someone else has to do so. Forcing would be if I demanded everyone would have to get same gender married or different-gender married...
(I'd like to "marry" my friend who is male irl but of course plays a female miqote. :P )

Ok, the last part is more of a social theory and I understand that SE's consindering the economical one.
Still I think it would be sad (personally) because to me their decision is still some kind of symbol but I guess I love the game too much to leave it just over this issue.

Maybe the idea of a substitute like handfasting or bounding is really a better option.
I also think that they should either leave it out entirely or allow it for everyone.
Not only because of LGBT respect but because, come on, we all know that there are far more guys playing girls for aesthetic than girls playing boys so if friends of different rl gender want to have an ingame wedding the chances are quite high that both chars are females due to the miqote love (nothing wrong with miqotes though ).

[debola]

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

Frankly yeah. excluding the child pornography part i'd imagine. Role playing games can take on any form and be referenced to any part of the world at any point in history. One that's fictional like ffxiv world should have even more leeway.

TO cite examples:
A big part of the "Dragon Age" story shows slavery and discrimination. It's part of the background lore and part of the game storyline. It's "Role playing" after all. People are getting way to touchy about this issue. I'm gay myself and i really dont care whether or not they implement this, even if they did say they werent gonna allow same sex marriage.

That being said, there r a couple of pple i play with i would mind getting married to. But i dont think it's as big a deal as this thread is making it out to be.

[Colvin]

I think ancient rome would compare same-sex marriage to child pornography and we arent much far from there, honestly.