Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Arcell]

If that's Zantetsuken's point, then lol, because the whole point of voyeur is that one party is non-consenting.

And entirely missing the point of this thread. This thread isn't about whether or not marriage is "right" or should be allowed. This thread is about providing feedback on the decision to restrict the marriage feature to heterosexual character couples. We're here to discuss that decision, that's it.

[Zyph]

And entirely missing the point of this thread. This thread isn't about whether or not marriage is "right" or should be allowed. This thread is about providing feedback on the decision to restrict the marriage feature to heterosexual character couples. We're here to discuss that decision, that's it.

Exactly, also ignoring the fact that marriage in this game can only be done between two consenting parties. The voyeur analogy never had feet and I'm surprised it got this far.

[RosenKreuz]

To reference XI one more time, the marriage system made reference to binding of friendships and showing devotion to a friend. Could've sworn I had a screenshot around here somewhere but I can't find it. And all modern wedding really is these days (at least the ceremony and that is what takes part in the game since there is no legal ramifications) is a celebration of 2 people and the life they share. There is absolutely nothing IRL stopping people of the same gender from hosting a wedding ceremony to celebrate their union and the lives they share. Its a commercialized industry and anyone with the cash can hire a planner or host a party and buy themselves symbolic jewellery and clothes. There is no legal marriage document that tells the government "Hey we're actually 1 entity now, hand over the tax breaks".

So why can this not happen in the game as well? The rings are symbolic of the couples feelings, not some religious sacrament. Party clothes are well, fabulous (:P) and make nice town gear after. And all the friends can join in on a little party.

If everyone is so hung up on calling it "same sex marriage" than bypass the faux pas and call it a "Black and White Party" or something lol.

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in a hilariously related note from Huffington Post and College Humour
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2117777.html
Allow same sex marriage or gay men will marry your girlfriends! (there is video, click the link!)

[Keisuna]

There is no legal marriage document that tells the government "Hey we're actually 1 entity now, hand over the tax breaks".

Do you live in a country that doesn't have marriage certificates and legal marriage or something?

[RosenKreuz]

Do you live in a country that doesn't have marriage certificates and legal marriage or something?

In the context of what I said, when a same sex couple hosts a wedding party in a country where they cannot legally marry, not here is not a marriage document. Under the law they are not a legally married couple. What I have said is that the lack of that document does not stop them from having a wedding, sharing their union with their friends and family, having a great big party, and then going on with their lives.

With modern marriages, the only difference is that document and that it tells the government 2 entities have become one and are now taxed differently.

A marriage, and a wedding, can be 2 completely different things.

[Keisuna]

In the context of what I said, when a same sex couple hosts a wedding party in a country where they cannot legally marry, not here is not a marriage document. Under the law they are not a legally married couple. What I have said is that the lack of that document does not stop them from having a wedding, sharing their union with their friends and family, having a great big party, and then going on with their lives.

With modern marriages, the only difference is that document and that it tells the government 2 entities have become one and are now taxed differently.

A marriage, and a wedding, can be 2 completely different things.

Ah, I see what you mean, but being legally married isn't just about taxes. It's also about being able to be seen by the law as the legal parent of your children, or being able to visit your spouse in the hospital, or make medical decisions for them when they're unable.

But most importantly it's about the union being recognized by the governing authority. You can have the biggest wedding in the world, and yet feel like your relationship is attacked by society as illegitimate because it isn't recognized by the law like 'normal' marriages are. That's kind of why I hated FFXI's restricting marriage to opposite gender couples, because the GMs, part of the governing authority in the game, officiated over it, and you had physical evidence in the form of a ring.

That's why many people feel it's important to have gay and straight marriage be equal. It doesn't matter if the water tastes the same and comes from the same place, the fact that you're forced to drink from one fountain and forbidden from another for no good reason is still a strong social message that you are inferior, and don't deserve to be treated as truly equal.

[Zyph]

It's also about being able to be seen by the law as the legal parent of your children

All of a sudden it's so clear. The reason why SE's only allowing opposite sex marriage.

New mini game: Child Raising.

It'll be like a cross between Chocobo raising from XI and Chao raising from Sonic Adventure.

Shit you can even race 'em.

[Wynn]

Do you live in a country that doesn't have marriage certificates and legal marriage or something?

I believe what they are saying is this doesn't exist in XIV so what's the big deal, just let the unions happen regardless of gender.

Edit: Rosen beat me to it :P

Also, Rosen: True on the girlfriend marrying thing. No joke. Straight ladies love us gay men. We are snappy dressers, clean, health conscious, we will make her breakfast in bed, and we won't care if she goes out to have sex with other men.

[Leira_Raine]

I'm not gonna ready through all the replies, but my take is simply this: They are simply avatars. A lot of males play female avatars and vice versa.

[ShinigamiKayla]

its funny listening to "Answers" while reading this thread... makes it all dramatic like o_o/

anyways can someone explain to me where this topic is at now... I've kind of gotten lost between the realm of reality and make believe...